Correction:
The Yale Ph.D. in Law program received
roughly 85 applications (I corrected it). At least my figure of 10,500 was close, a
mere rounding error. Actually, the error
was caused by my failure to recheck what the number referred to.
Although the misstated
figure was not central to the point of the post, I want to avoid muddying the
waters with bad information or detracting from the credibility of our message—I
apologize. Thank you Orin Kerr of The
Volokh Conspiracy (and another commenter who thought the number sounded wrong).
The survival of students in
the catacombs of the law schools reminds me of Sigourney Weaver’s attempts to
outsmart the constantly evolving Alien(s) throughout spaceships, planets,
moons, and hundreds of years of time travel.
By the end of the series, she becomes inextricably fused with her
nemesis.
Which reminds me…
Yale just chose five new
candidates for their flagship Ph.D. program in law. You must have a J.D. to start this three-year
program, which is meant to guide students during the genesis of three
publishable law review articles. The law
school intends to use this program to feed graduates into law professorships and
federal clerkships, keeping an eye on the Yale graduates on the Supreme Court.
During the first class of
this program, the five professors-in-waiting will not pay tuition, and the
school provides a small stipend.
Obviously, the students with the intelligence to get one of the five
spots out of the roughly 85 applicants—yet, the students not quite
well-situation enough on a favorable career path after law school to not mind bowing
out of the real world and returning for another three years of zero-salary
law-schooling—would probably not have paid tens-of-thousands of dollars to attend
a risky three-year law program in a newly invented degree. However, once the first class graduates in
three years, and Yale can brag (presumably) about how well all of the
double-doctors* are doing, watch as the other elite law schools develop similar
programs.
*(Oh, did you forget, a J.D.
is also technically a doctor. What’s the
problem—don’t you feel like a
doctor?).
Like most Ph.D. programs,
the absence of tuition revenue does not mean that the school is losing
money. The students will teach introductory
classes in exchange for their living stipend of $30,000—much cheaper than paying
full-time adjuncts. Another bonus
exists: the professors teach for the law school or for other graduate
departments, so the extra expense of faculty salary is relatively tiny. Instead of establishing a new faculty from
scratch, Yale just throws a little extra money and “prestige” towards a few
bored tenured professors to teach an extra workshop or act as a thesis advisor.
The program creates another
tier in the law school hierarchy. Above the Law reported on Yale’s
announcement of this new program many months ago, and my younger law-professor source
tells me that his peers are watching this program closely. After all, it could render many of the
younger adjuncts less desirable or even obsolete as the world of the
credential-obsessed law school faculties starts to embrace this new “top-rung”
of legal education.
On the other hand, there is
the possibility that Yale’s program, opening during the worst lawyer glut ever,
may fail because everyone else in the legal education world that matters may
reject the value of the degree. In these
hard times, what law school administrator wants to worry about adding a new
program to keep up with the Joneses, especially if they cannot attach a
six-figure price tag to it? Many of the
interviewed law professors with J.D. degrees from Yale sounded hostile toward
the program—which makes sense, as it threatens their own position on top of the
credentialing heap. Older professors
sounded skeptical about the new degree as well, wondering what value it adds
other than providing a student with time to write articles and to have workshops
edit the material.
Frankly, the description of
the Ph.D. program on Yale’s website sounds remarkably similar to the Creative
Writing Master of Fine Arts (M.F.A.). The
goal of both the M.F.A and the Ph.D. in Law is the development and publication
of written work for an almost exclusively academic audience. The publication system, including the gaming
of submissions and acceptances, is remarkably similar to literary journals like
The Paris Review or The New Yorker. Like those major literary journals/magazines,
most of the major law reviews publish articles based on the author’s name, not
on the writing, and a Yale Ph.D., along with the ensuring connections to major
journals, is sure to give people an edge in this system.
Many of the older
professors, some with actual practice backgrounds from the days when law
schools cared about such experience, have discussed the negative attitude that
some Supreme Court and Circuit Court judges express toward law review
articles. Sure, the Supreme Court will
occasionally cite an unusually good law review article in an important
opinion. However, on those rare
occasions, they normally cite an article that reports on independent social science
research and that accompanies an amicus
brief focusing on this research. In
other words, one needs more skills in the social science research disciplines,
not the Socratic issue-spotter “discipline” perfected by the top 2% of every
law school class, to write law review articles that anyone with power cares
about reading and citing.
Ultimately, the value of the
Ph.D. degree in this glutted environment seems dubious, and it seems like the
development of another degree-system (LL.M. anyone?) that will benefit the
school more than the graduates. The Ph.D.
graduates will probably not be any more attractive to law firms—probably
less-so—and it seems like a system designed mainly to feed people into
clerkships or academia. And if one is
aiming for a law school professorship, many of the newer tenure-track
professors already have a Ph.D. in another field in addition to their J.D.
Given these realities, the
program seems redundant and the timing strange.
Law school academia is already downsizing, even some higher-ranked
schools, and federal clerkships will always have fierce competition, even for a
double-doctor from Yale, as most judges only care about where someone went to
law school. Undoubtedly, Yale will be
promoting the new degree so that confused old judges will know how prestigious it is. Of course, there is no guarantee that they
will care.
Frankly, the degree just
seems like one more step in the legal hierarchy designed to benefit the inner
Ivy-League circle and to create more barriers between lawyers and law
professors. Is this the first step in a
system that will require this extra degree before one becomes eligible for a professorship
or a high-level clerkship as well? If so,
this resembles the problem of the Creative Writing M.F.A., which used to be a
terminal degree qualifying one to teach college writing but which now
represents just the first step in a 6-7 year Creative Writing Ph.D. No, I am not kidding.
One can always hope that old
federal judges will loath the idea of younger people with “more
credentials.” It will seem
pretentious. Regardless, the Ph.D. in
Law looks like a degree designed to keep law professors even more removed from
the actual practice of law. In the
future, all law professors will have Ivy-League degrees, 6-7 years of graduate education,
and zero years of practice experience.
Oh, wait a minute…
No offense to the other posters here (and I am one of them), but you are the best of us. Good writing, engaging, funny, and opinionated yet informative.
ReplyDeleteThat is the nicest thing I've heard (or read) in a long time. Thank you.
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Speaking of LLMs:
ReplyDeleteLoyola University Chicago law school's incoming class will be 10 percent smaller as the school cuts enrollment to better align its graduates with the shrinking legal jobs ... the decision will affect the law school's revenue stream, but tuition will only rise 2.5 percent, Mr. Yellen said. The school plans to offset the loss by not filling open positions and banking on its growing master's in law program.
"Five years ago it was five students," Mr. Yellen said of the degree, which is now also available through online classes. "Now it's 300 students."
Couldn't help laughing at this claim: they "made the decision earlier this year, but did not publicly announce it."
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130322/NEWS13/130329892/loyolas-law-school-to-reduce-enrollment
The Yale PhD - what a pointless "credential for the sake of a credential".
ReplyDeleteWhat worries me more is whether other schools will follow suit and start their own PhDs in law. All these TTTs handing out PhDs in law that have no value, monetary or academic, just because it would be the easiest money maker ever.
"Here douchebag, hand me three more years of tuition and you can sit in the library and write bullshit".
A money machine, and perhaps the next step in the law school scam money arms race.
I've got a question. Is the 10,500 applicants a real number or a made-up number?
ReplyDeleteIt is real. I may start referring to sources, even anonymously, but I did not want to pretend that this was journalism just because I researched the information and spoke to people at Yale. However, I am trying to break an actual "scoop" on this blog when I get the proof. Hopefully, it pans out and other sources will quote us.
DeleteThank you for getting back to me.
DeleteYale's JD program received slightly under 3,000 applications this past year for about 200 spots. http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2013/03/04/amid-plummeting-app-numbers-law-schools-adapt-to-economy/
ReplyDeleteIn light of that, how could a specialized PhD program with only five vacancies receive 10,500 applications?
That was the number provided by Yale. It makes some sense as law school applications are down everywhere, but a lot of people are stuck with law degrees and may feel the need to try to trade up. The was no minimum or average LSAT requirement, which weeds out law applicants from aiming too high. Most of the application centered on a writing sample. Hey, the person did not say that the majority of these applications were good.
DeleteWho did you talk to at Yale? That number doesn't make sense to me. There are only about 1,000 people a year who apply for law professorships across the entire United States, and a VAP program might get 200 resumes. The Yale program requires special essays and an application fee as well as a commitment to move your family to New Haven for a few years. If they received 3x as many applications for 5 spots as their entire #1 ranked JD program, that would be pretty remarkable.
ReplyDeleteUpdate: I just contacted the Associate Dean for Graduate Programs at Yale Law School, and he informed me that the Yale Ph.D. received about 85 applications. His guess was that the 10,500 figure was the total number of Ph.D. applications received by the entire university.
ReplyDeleteI do not have the communication in front of me, I am at work, but I will read closely the figure given to me by a person on the committee. In a discussion about the phd in law, it would be odd for the person to give me a seemingly irrelevant number. If I am wrong, I will update the post with a correction.
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