No. No.
No No NO NO NO!
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/forget_law_practice._half_of_surveyed_prelaw_students_plan_to_use_law_degre/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email
Stop it. Just stop it. Look at my handle - "dupednontraditional". I was a (1) non-traditional student who went to law school for a (2) non-traditional, "JD preferred" career.
Let me say it again: my handle is DUPEDNONTRADITIONAL.
Normally, I try to write out a thoughful commentary on these topics. Not this time. I'm too mad at the Law School cartel to do it justice. Just read the comments. Take them to heart. Do not do this.
Look at JDUnderground:
http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=44730
Read the comments. Do not do this.
Law School is for being an entreprenurial, gunslinging lawyer, if you can even make it as a lawyer in the first place, assuming you have significant backing. Period. Read my posts. Read this blog. Read my blog from before I started posting on OTLSS. You will note a pattern. The pattern is bad.
ScamDeans and LawProfs will try to tell you that you there are all kinds of things you can do with a "versatile" law degree. Do not believe them. Do not do this.
I make no money doing this. I get no accolades. I do this to prevent others from making the same mistake. I have no motiviation to say what I say, other than to try to prevent more well-meaning people from getting chained to an albatross of debt with no prospects.
Do not go to Law School for a non-traditional, so-called-versatile reason. That is all.
This is a massive message. I will reiterate the same. Do not go to law school for any reason other than to become a lawyer.
ReplyDeleteTHERE ARE NO JD PREFERRED OR JD ADVANTAGE JOBS.
The only valid reason for going to law school is to become an attorney. With today's shrinking, GLUTTED lawyer job market, you should also make sure to come from wealth, attend a top three law school, or land a full-tuition scholarship.
ReplyDeleteIn the latter case, if you lose the scholarship - for any reason - then that is a sign that you should drop out.
To become an attorney? Then why did YOU attend, Mr. Ultimate Failure?
DeleteSour-grape it all you like, dude. Now you're been reduced to taking pictures of stinky crappers until you get old and die. Wouldn't your mommy be proud?
The fact that the law school cartel regularly gives lazy spoiled fucktards like you an ass-raping is one of its few real virtues.
Just what do you think you'll do with a JD other than be a lawyer? President? Law School Dean?
ReplyDeleteJust what do you think you'll do with a JD other than be a lawyer? President? Law School Dean?
ReplyDeleteDon't forget major league baseball manager.
DeleteAnd of course Geraldo, Ann Coulter, etc.
DeleteDon't forget Art Gallery Owner, Wealth Manager, Foreign Service Officer.
Deletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-conison/law-school-_b_1653400.html
The versatility comes only after the candidate has acquired requisite underlying experience/knowledge. For instance, a business manager with a JD may move around in departments only after they have sufficiently mastered the knowledge on operations, financial management, etc. Prior to that, if they don't know where inventory is, how it came into the system, etc, they are useless and unqualified for positions that are advertised. Likewise, managers in tech companies only rise to those positions after they have mastered some area of tech management (team lead, etc). They can't just arrive and be johnny-on-the-spot business managers. That's now how the world works.
ReplyDeleteWhat?! Companies do not usually move around JDs from the general counsel/in-house division to other departments, no matter how long they've been there. No one is going to transfer a JD from in-house to inventory management.
DeleteAnd what's this about "a business manager with a JD?" The whole point is that companies don't hire JDs to be business managers. "Versatility" does not mean "JD can move around after in a company." ANYONE can do that, even high school graduates. "Versatility" in this context means "getting jobs in a variety of different fields that are not the traditional practice of law."
No one here is arguing that JDs SHOULD be put into experienced positions in accounting or inventory management. But the law schools routinely advertise that there are jobs in things like compliance (health care, financial), consulting, government, and business that do (a) do not require bar admission and (b) strongly prefer Juris Doctor-holders.
The ratio of actual jobs to expected jobs based on law school propaganda is probably 1:10.
Agree. The original statement is an argument against law school propaganda regarding "versatility". The only instances where I've seen JDs move into management are, in about 99% of the cases, when they've already had the experience for those positions (e.g. and went to night school and acquired a JD as an add-on). There is no "versatility" in the degree as far as getting jobs in a variety of different fields that are not traditional law practice.
DeleteIf a JD degree doesn't land you a job as a lawyer, your fall back position is NOT a 40K cube drone position shuffling papers at a bank or insurance company. Your fall back position is $10 an hour in the service sector. The same jobs you could have gotten 5 years earlier with an associates degree from the local community college.
ReplyDeleteBut with generous overtime, that $10/hr gig can earn you EVEN MORE money than a straight $40k!
DeleteFrom a job posting for a legal assistant with the Colorado AG's Office:
ReplyDelete"A J.D. degree will not substitute for the paralegal certificate."
http://agency.governmentjobs.com/colorado/default.cfm
LOL - we don't even have the "HR person" excuse here, since that office is overseen by nothing but JDs. They know it's worthless. Why don't you?
DeleteUm, I never said a JD is anything but worthless. However, I am one of the lucky ones. BTW, for staff positions, the State HR Dept does screen applicants.
DeleteWe're on the same page. "You" refers to the generic 0L.
DeleteAnd I understand the HR screening, but if the AG said "hire JDs," the position would be open to JDs, right?