JDU thread, April 5, 2013: If every aspiring
lawyer was JeffM would they all be making $115K???
Today on MSNBC, a guest commentator invited to
discuss the lackluster economic recovery and the high unemployment rate for
people under 30 actually mentioned the huge surplus of liberal arts majors and
especially those young people who become lawyers. In the same breath, he said he was paying for
his son to go to law school, as he is rich.
While he spouted BS about how STEM and medical fields still provide
healthy job opportunities for young people just out of school—yeah, right, they
are facing similar hierarchical education scams and huge debt—he discussed the
lawyer glut as if it was common knowledge.
I saw this as a huge victory, showing that the
message is spreading. Then, I saw an
example of a person in our own profession who refuse to understand basic
reality.
In this post, I use a recent message board
discussion as a great example—one that some of our readers may be familiar with—where
younger lawyers cited facts to try and get a poster named JeffM to see the
light. For those not familiar with this
commenter, JeffM frequently advertises a free feel-good “book,” which uses the
vague language of a doctor’s office pamphlet or a college communications
textbook, about how a good attitude will make you money regardless of supply or
demand. Think positive, and you will
succeed!
The younger posters could not get him to support
his conclusion that lemmings were adequately warned five to eight years ago
about the law school scam even though the schools were bragging about 95%
employment rates, and he could not cite a single article, blog, or post from
this period that revealed the fraud of the law schools. He criticized scambloggers as “losers,” because
apparently all of us involved in these projects must be lazy bums, but he also
claimed that scambloggers and scamblogger-types have provided fair warning
about the low success rate of attorneys for at least 20 years (so it was
unclear if we provide a valuable service or if we are horrible communist bums). He claimed that the $115,000 mean attorney
salary shows that no supply and demand problem exists, but he failed to explain
how it is not a problem that at least
half of J.D. graduates, the ones who fall out of the profession and pay
lifelong debt for a degree that they never use, fail to find jobs or clients. He could not explain why this does not constitute a supply/demand problem. The $115,000 salary statistic only includes
practicing lawyers, including lots of the golden era boomer partners with
abnormal incomes, and it does not factor in a huge percentage of past and
recent J.D. graduates.
Just out of curiosity about the boomer
Go-Get-‘Em attitude, I looked at his pamphlet for advice pertaining to my
practice area, solo criminal law, and the only advice was to visit tittie bars
and slide my cards between breasts, as many dancers have drinking, drug, and
prostitution problems (and no money). I
do not see how hundreds of dollars a pop for a New York City tittie club would
garner me much money, especially when many dancers would qualify for Legal
Aid. Besides, I am guessing, just a
hunch, that my husband would prefer
accompanying me to a few Go-Go-Boy clubs in Chelsea and the Village, but still,
I doubt that I would make much money by slipping my business cards between a poverty-stricken
dancing boy’s g-string and shaved balls, as most of these kids make barely enough
money for groceries and sometimes rent.
JeffM represents a common problem with
Generation Boomer, the idea that they had some struggles in the past, and therefore
they have good advice for the present.
Many posters here have touched on this disconnect between anecdotal experiences
and current reality. Also, I will point
out, per usual, that Generation Boomer did not deal with the current extreme
glut and crushing debt. They can survive
now because they had decades to enter safer jobs and to build their careers
when the lawyer marketplace was much friendlier.
I use JeffM as an example for another reason:
he provided on the message board a real time point-by-point record of the
arguments of boomers and law school schills.
Every time the handful of people, engaging in this hopeless exchange,
confronted him with facts, he slipped into a different topic or used his fluffy
refrain about how people can will
themselves into success! If there is not
enough legal demand, create the demand (I guess by framing people for crimes
and hiring hitmen to set up personal injury lawsuits).
We are still in the midst of the messaging
war. The message about oversupply is
gaining ground. Unfortunately, the
religious fervor of the free market zealots and the make-your-own-destiny crowd
try to misdirect young people away from the harsh reality that most Americans
do not have enough money to live month-to-month, let alone pay thousands of
dollars for an attorney for any legal
problem, no matter the seriousness. The
few people who do have the money will spread their business between the
hundreds of firms and thousands of solos in urban areas. The non-urban areas are just deserts.
No matter your will power, supply and demand
matters. So does the economy. If people can’t pay for most services, and if
the government is not hiring for indigent services, that leaves the representation
of businesses. There are far more
lawyers than legal matters, and so most lawyers will lose the jobs and clients
lotteries. Sure, some of those people with positive
attitudes and excellent work ethics will make it, but the majority of people
with positive attitudes and excellent work ethics will lose everything.
Always love to see more proof that the message is getting out. Can you link to the discussion?
ReplyDeleteIt's about time someone challenged this guy's spurious narrative. "Jeffm" is a self-aggrandizing charlatan of the highest order.
ReplyDeleteI agree. That guy is so totally out of touch he must have personality disorder.
ReplyDeleteGreetings.... from Houston!
Hi, guys!
With love, Jeff.
DeleteYeah, it's all in good spirit. We can agree to disagree with no ill-will.
DeleteI bet "jeffm" was the sick animal that took an 8 pound "seton hall law" to clog the office toilet. that p.o.s needs to eat a veetable knce a decade for his own good.
ReplyDeleteA few hours after Jeffm announced that he had decided it was futile to argue his points any more, someone called lawsthetics posted two lengthy defenses of Jeffm in that thread that sound just a little like Jeffm.
DeleteSomeone also showed up here saying they are "not Jeffm" but answering a question on his behalf.
Probably just an interesting coincidence.
Isn't Jeff M's philosophy essentially derived from self-help books like The Secret and the earlier The Power of Positive Thinking?
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Vincent_Peale
Although I liked his book I wouldn't known if it has any merit to it, I am just a confused 3l with no real idea of what to do. Any solos out there care to weigh in whether his book is something worth taking seriously?
ReplyDeleteDon't fall for it kid. You are better off delivering pizzas for tip money.
DeleteWhere you ask JeffM to point to a single article, blog or post from the last 5-8 years in your 4th paragraph -- see the Wall Street Journal from September 24, 2007 -- which is roughly six years ago.
ReplyDelete-- Not JeffM, but I have skimmed his book and it contains some interesting advice, much of which looks pretty good, and some of which I have no idea whether it is good or not.
Sockpuppet
DeleteFor anyone interested in the full scoop: http://aroundthelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/
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