Wednesday, September 4, 2013

Online LLMs and the ABA Law Deans' Listserv


Money Quote: "Purdom says that what was once a group of 14 or 15 “misfit schools” and “weirdos” looking to start or expand online LL.M. programs as part of the Working Group for Distance Learning two years ago, now has “200 schools on the listserv and coming to the various meetings in one capacity or another,” including “a lot of mainstream schools.”

The First Rule of Deans' Listserv...
Money Quote: "If law school deans want to have a secret forum to communicate with each other, they have to follow some ground rules, says the American Bar Association."

Fewer Law School Applicants Due To Lack of Jobs, High Tuition
Money Quote: “Today is probably a really good time to go to law school because the class sizes are so much smaller that you’re going to be competing with so many fewer graduates when you do graduate 3 or 4 years from now..."

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  1. That radio broadcast turned to unabashed self-promotion toward the end in a most amusing way:

    "If you want to be a lawyer and have the opportunity to go to an elite law school like Ohio State"

    Followed up by the claim that 88% of their students get bar passage required or JD Advantage jobs, with the little dig that only 72% of the graduates of Capital University Law get such "jobs."

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    1. Just for shits + giggles I checked out the job calculator at Educating Tomorrows Lawyers. Percent of 2012 grads who got real legal jobs 9 months out (bar required, full time, long term, minus solos and school funded "jobs"):
      OSU 58.6
      Capital 41.1

      Clearly a journalism fail.

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    2. This is truly a fucked up situation. They are going to steal the money of at least 100,000 kids over the next few years without giving them a pathway to a job. Even though enrollment is shrinking, it is shrinking so slowly. Not sure what to make of it all.

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  2. The WOSU report on CrapiTTTTal Univer$iTTTTy Law Sewer reveals a lot about the law school pigs. These subhumans simply do not give a damn about the students. The number of actual U.S. attorney jobs continues to shrink due to automation, outsourcing, software programs, etc. Smaller class sizes will not result in more open lawyer positions. At best, it means that the ratio of JDs in non-law positions to those who found legal employment will decrease.

    "Law professors" love to claim that all lawyers are terrible at math. Perhaps, they are basing that assertion on the pathetic, weak-ass math "skills" of themselves and their colleagues. Then again, they don't claim that all lawyers are retarded at math.

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    1. You gotta love their innate instinct to Keep Spinning until the Very End:

      "Today is probably a really good time to go to law school because class sizes are so much smaller that you’re going to be competing with so many fewer graduates when you do graduate 3 or 4 years from now..."

      The sun will come out, tomorrow, tomorrow, I luv ya, tomorrow. You're always a day away!

      They call it The Dream because you have to be asleep to catch it.

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  3. Real money quote from last link:

    " what I tell folks is if you want to be a lawyer and have the opportunity to go to an ELITE LAW SCHOOL like Ohio State you absolutely should go and you will find a pathway,” says Michaels."

    Emphasis added. From now on, it's HYS-O, or don't attend.

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  4. What I wouldn't do to get subscribed to that dean's listserv.

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  5. In what universe is Ohio State University an elite law school? Someone should inform the thirty five or so schools ranked higher than OSU.

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    1. Yes, I'd say OSU is nowhere near a group that can best be defined either as HYS or Top 13. (And every year, Georgetown is supposed to come back strong, but it never does because of its promiscuous, tuition-hogging transfer admissions.)

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  6. Article on Admissions Transparency (hah!) by the Dean of Admissions at Yale Law: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/09/getting_into_an_elite_school_forget_the_consultants_don_t_write_about_naked.html

    Some decent comments about how law school doesn't prep you to practice law, mostly the rich/socially privileged can afford admissions coaching, etc.

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