Monday, December 16, 2013

A Public Service Message from OTLSS




The images highlighted in this post were created by a well-funded organization that, in turn, works with several other well-funded organizations.  Together, they all want you to spend $100,000 on a law degree in order to make a lot of rich people even richer.
 
The image above was created by a member of a blog run by experienced lawyers and law grads whose only goal is to provide you with fair warning about the true state of the legal profession.

You decide.

26 comments:

  1. Why do you need to insult lemmings? Why can't you say " Don't be a sucker", or "Don't be an idiot"?

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  2. How is this different from Georgetown or George Washington?

    How A For-Profit College Created Fake Jobs To Get Taxpayer Money
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/corinthian-colleges-job-placement_n_4433800.html

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  3. Please submit this to some online editors at major news outlets. Would love to see this meme go public.

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  4. This is extremely effective. On rational people...

    Exceptional work.

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    1. It should be shown everywhere those repulsive LSAC posters are shown.

      Activism Top Tip: If you see any of the LSAC posters at your school, print out one of these OTLSS posters and pin it up next to it.

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  5. Awesome. Simply awesome.

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  6. Has everyone seen this already?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/college-president-pay-in-2011-154856372.html

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  7. Re: Student Loan Debt and it's impact on the overall society:

    1. The Christian Seminaries won't always admit people with sizeable student loan debt:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-briggs/seminary-debt-rising-clergy-postpone-starting-families-face-bankruptcy_b_1821349.html

    2. Read this by the Boston Catholic Archbishop Re: student loan debt as a deterrent to marriage, which is considered a Sacrament in the Catholic faith, and how SL debt is also a deterrent for becoming a Catholic religious Priest or Brother, Nun, etc. :

    https://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/cardinal-omalley-cohabitation-and-student-debt-threaten-marriage/

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  8. High educational debt a growing threat to religious vocations

    Study reveals candidates turned away because of student loans
    Chicago, Feb. 22, 2012: A new study on Catholic vocations reveals that educational debt is derailing the dreams of young people to become religious sisters, brothers, or priests. And the problem is likely to get worse: Religious institutes report an increase in the number of inquirers with large educational debt and national averages show record levels of student debt continuing to rise.

    The 2012 Study on Educational Debt and Vocations to Religious Life, conducted by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University (CARA) for the Chicago-based National Religious Vocation Conference (NRVC), finds that seven in ten institutes (69 percent) turned away at least one person because of student loans. In addition, many religious communities ask young people to delay their applications to enter because of educational debt.
    “For those entering religious life, the expectation is that they be debt-free,” says Holy Cross Brother Paul Bednarczyk, Executive Director of NRVC, “but for graduates in today’s economy, where education costs have risen by 900 percent since 1978, paying off loans can take years to accomplish. The burden of student debt has become a serious problem for religious communities desirous of welcoming younger members.”

    Of approximately 15,000 serious inquiries to men’s and women’s religious institutes in the past 10 years, one in three (32 percent) involved a person with educational debt averaging $28,000, a figure slightly higher than the $25,000 national average.
    The majority of communities (two in three) show a willingness to work with candidates with educational debt—and some 42 percent of responding institutes assume educational debt for a least some of those who apply to enter their communities.

    But, the study indicates, the practice of assuming debt places a heavy and growing financial burden on religious communities. Those applying to enter religious life during the past 10 years carried $3 million in educational debt, and if national trends continue, that overall student debt load will likely rise by 5 percent annually.

    Men and women whose educational debt is delaying their entrance into a religious community often develop creative strategies for paying off their loans, such as online candy sales, marathon runs, or bingo fundraisers.

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  9. Has everyone seen this?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/niki-fords-take-on-law-school-2013-12

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    1. This article should go viral. It says so much that the law schools don't say.

      The writer takes responsibility for his own bad decision to attend a Top 20, and what he has to say is essential reading for anyone considering this sorry career path today.

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    2. Did people read the rebuttal to the interview above?

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    3. Actually the article 1:50 is linking is a rebuttal to the (very good) article by the lawyer who regrets law school. This article, by a Niki Ford, is a snotty, obnoxious piece of trash full of thinly-veiled boasting about how clever she is. We'll see how clever she feels when she probably washes out of big law.

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    4. Niki Ford went to Akron for her JD and neglects to say that she had to scrub her JD with a costly NY LLM in tax law to even get a foot in the door in Biglaw. So she essentially bought her way in.

      She also neglects to mention that she is apparently only a law clerk at McDermott. Her name does not appear listed as an attorney. Either they haven't yet updated their site (unlikely) or she is puffing up her success in order to gloat.

      Why did BusinessWeek not fact check her background? At the very least her response is comparing apples to oranges.

      Another lying industry shill. She is the female version of Mr. Infinity.

      I'm sensing a Third Tier Reality article approaching.

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    5. More on Niki Ford's credential inflation. Her LinkedIn profile says she was a JD student from 2008 until 2011, but her experience says that she was an attorney from 2009 onwards - not a summer associate for a few months.

      She is clearly misreporting her qualifications and experience. How can a 2011 grad have three years of experience?

      Please someone investigate this fraud.

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  10. Also it's not simply the debt. Does any young person want to invest all that time and toil--and forsake all others--in a profession that has no real use for his or her capabilities? It's not a great way to invest the time of your life.

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    1. This is a key point that is often overlooked. The money is a minor issue. The real waste is the years of effort, the waste of a relatively capable mind, and the stress/regret.

      The money stings once a month when you write the student loan check. You regret your decision to go to law school every single morning.

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    2. Yes. I am a Toileteer First Class who regrets not merely the $90,000 tuition, but more so the 5 years of lost income from a $75k/year job. This calculation should be at the top of non traditional's minds before they commit to this folly. The circumstances under which a non traditional attends law school should be even narrower than a traditional.

      Non traditional Lemmings, your age is a DISADVANTAGE. Your life experience largely means Jack Shit. All you're likely doing is tossing your former career in the crapper for a worthless $100k piece of useless paper and the door on your old career to boot.

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  11. Are you taking requests? Because I want to see one with The Valvoline Dean's head on a spider's body/legs smiling as it crawls towards a student entrapped in a spiderweb whose shading spells out JD.

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  12. How 'bout a picture of a student with a large male reproductive organ hanging from his face.

    Caption: "The world needs another lawyer like you need a penis growing out of your forehead."

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  13. The thought of the law school educational complex asking for still more students to enter the legal profession is absolutely disgusting. The sheer numbers of unemployed and underemployed lawyers out there right now is absolutely unbelievable. Not only are "first jobs" rare as hen's teeth, but the notion of a long-term and/or stable career in law is a long past memory.

    Luring more people into this sinkhole is criminal. Don't feed the law schools. They're already well beyond gorged.

    There should be a poster that features Mr. Creosote as a Scamdean. (You know, he's the
    big, fat diner in Monty Python's film, "The Meaning of Life," who eats and eats and eats until he explodes all over the restaurant).

    "Actually, the world needs another lawyer like Mr. Creosote needs another cheeseburger."

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  14. Actually, the world DOES need another 20-something who moves back in with his parents, is in huge debt, is desperately searching for work, and is angry at himself for wearing horse blinders.

    L-SACK

    (Spanish for "the scrotum," perhaps?)

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  15. http://tippingthescales.com/2013/12/worst-case-scenario-no-job-and-250000-in-loans/

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  16. we swim in a sea of propaganda put forth by the elites. The only way to fight back is with counter-propaganda

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  17. I believe it's meant to be a URL and not an email on the poster. You should change the '@' to a '.'

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