Monday, March 3, 2014

Pressing Towards the GOAL : The "Prize" of Legal Process Outsourcing

As further proof that ScamDeans and LawProfs are highly insulated from the workings of the actual marketplace (so far) and truly have no idea what legal practitioners and law graduates are actually facing, I submit yet another Exhibit: GOAL - the Global Outsourcing Association of Lawyers.
GOAL’s mission is to promote the welfare, interests, education, and professional development of all parties involved in today’s legal process outsourcing (LPO) industry. We aim to advance awareness for LPO solutions in the global legal community, and to help the market recognize the myriad benefits that LPO models offer. As a trade association, GOAL seeks to provide the most influential knowledge sourcing and networking platforms in the field of legal outsourcing.
The "speakers" and "mentors" list is long and varied, but one theme continues to shine through - the board is made up of senior in-house counsels at large corporations, law firm partners, directors, vice-presidents, government, etc. They all seem really excited about the prospect of finding low-cost legal solutions to business problems.
Hey, look at these stats! That 2016 recovery in the legal sector for law graduates must be just around the corner! Or not.
The Legal Business survey also revealed that LPOs have a large role to play in helping companies tackle large data and help companies mitigate risk. Highlights of the survey include:
80% of respondents say they expect to see the LPO industry expand and improve its services over the next five years.
58% of respondents say that LPOs and law firms need to work together on compliance and risk matters.
37% of in-house lawyers say that LPOs are better equipped than law firms to use advanced technology and to use data and risk analytics.  In-house counsel are using LPOs primarily for investigations and due diligence exercises; general litigation support and eDiscovery are close seconds.
The UK LPO market is less developed than the US: 38% of UK-based respondents say they have used LPOs for legal work, compared to 50% in the US.
An increase in the level of civil litigation is seen as the biggest driver behind rising legal costs. Greater scrutiny from regulators is close behind.
Check out a "success story":
Dell - ‘Why should I pay £200 an hour for a three-year qualified UK lawyer if the quality is not significantly better than a seven-year qualified lawyer in India who I am paying at £40 an hour?’ says Bruce Macmillan, Dell EMEA in an interview to the International Bar Association. Dell, along with Eversheds and MIndcrest, in order to demonstrate optimal cost benefits started tepidly focusing on large scale, standard form contracts involving reviewing changes proposed by other parties. Having tasted success in this delivery model, Dell is also examining other areas where LPO could be used, such as reviews of routine advertising material – to ensure compliance with different countries’ regulations – and the administration of some of its internal legal databases. However, Macmillan at Dell is still sceptical about using LPO for anything that requires a high level of briefing per activity. “The more non-transactional it is, the higher the investment cost in getting it briefed up in the first place and the more checking and validation you need to do to make sure you have got comfort that it’s being done properly’, he argues.
Some detractors may say, "well, this is all about IP, M&A, and corporate business deals. This won't affect me as I want to be a prosecutor/public defender/family law practitioner/wills, trusts, and estates practitioner." Possibly, although I wouldn't count on it. BigLaw is consolidating due to market pressure, and many of the smiling faces on GOAL's website are BigLaw partners. BigLaw is in actuality rushing to partner with corporations and government so as to maintain some piece of a shrinking pie. Of late, the only jobs worth the enormous sticker cost of law school have been BigLaw jobs, at least in terms of ROI, and if GOAL is any indication those jobs continue to disappear fast. With no place to go, those let-go lawyers will be appearing in a smaller-town shop or government office near you, and/or working longer instead of retiring, despite the protestations of the Law School Cartel to the contrary. And because of market forces and other pressures, those government jobs aren't easy to come by in and of themselves, even as a seasoned practitioner.
The overall point is that the legal market has drastically changed from decades ago and will continue to do so, but you won't hear that from the academy. Just as technology has advanced the scamblog movement and torn away the veil on dismal law graduate outcomes, that same technology is contributing to the globalization of legal services. In the face of these headwinds, instead of expressing genuine concern and actually counseling their students, ScamDeans and LawProfs will say whatever they need to say to get prospective 0Ls with their sub-145 LSATs to buy into the "million dollar law degree" at ever-skyrocketing tuition costs.
But, as we all know, cushy, academic jobs with high salaries have always been the primary GOAL of the Law School Cartel. Let the scammed graduates deal with global outsourcing, those icky market forces, and the consequences of decisions that were based on Cartel half-truths.


  1. Dell - ‘Why should I pay £200 an hour for a three-year qualified UK lawyer if the quality is not significantly better than a seven-year qualified lawyer in India who I am paying at £40 an hour?’ says Bruce Macmillan

    Well, scam deans, answer the question.

    1. You just need to move to Nebraska . . .er, ah, I mean India.

    2. Here's a better question: Why should anyone anywhere hire an incompetent Cooleyite or Valponian or Florida Coastoid at any price?

    3. Get over it.

      When the Indian screws up the assignment, the difference in rates will seem pale in comparison. But that really doesn't matter to corporations. They gamble. If there's only a 15% chance vs. a 5% chance by using the UK lawyer, the corp will simply go with lower cost vs. quality. Chances are if something does go wrong, it won't be enough of a variance to actually make a tangible difference. When something does rise to the level of a blowup, whomever made the decision will be fired, etc. Corps and the decision-maker love low cost. That means promotions, etc. so everyone would rather Play the Game than concentrate on quality work. Race to the bottom in this profession. Race to the bottom.

    4. Actually, 10:52, it's not a race to the bottom it is calculated risk. Game theory. Here in my state, Connecticut, many residential refinance and HELOC closings no longer involve a lawyer or title insurance. We are not on the federal survey system and there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of property lines that have never been surveyed since colonial times, if at all. Nevertheless, title disputes are rare in the extreme and the lenders just build the risk into their underwriting because they need to offer low closing costs to compete and kicking out the lawyer and the title insurer are a good way to do that. Same with those Indian lawyers. If they screw up a bit more often the corporate client just figures that into the risk, offset against the huge savings obtained by using lawyers who cost 1/5 as much as the locals.

    5. Yes 12.38, I get the impression that in earlier decades America may have been able to support a higher number of working lawyers per capita than now. But demand has decreased as many mundane transactions that used to require a lawyer can now be completed without one.

      But we should also ask whichever branch of the federal government oversees Stafford and GradPLUS loans why they will loan virtually unlimited amounts to almost anyone who can get into an ABA law school. The legal profession is not lucrative enough to justify this extravagant lending. Most of their borrowers will default, take decades to repay or have to go on PAYE/IBR.

  2. One issue is that the quality of the work from 3 year PQE lawyers has been pretty crap, especially from the Magic Circle in recent years. Most of the Magic Circle have invested in so-called knowledge management systems which they use for drafting all documents - a junior at say Clifford Chance or Linklaters would get into serious trouble for drafting anything - instead it is recycle from the system. The trouble is the contracts they draft are crap and end in disaster when they go to court or arbitration. The other problem is that an outsourced 7 year lawyer in India can plug in the same data and get the same form result. The top firms have given up their unique selling proposition, skilled client focused and carefully tailored legal work for production line dreck.

    At the same time the Magic Circle have decided to focus on corporate transaction work, which they regard as the most lucrative - at also allows for massive overstaffing with juniors and non-equity lawyers. The fees are huge because the law firm is really chosen by the Investment Bankers, who reward the firms that make sure that the deal goes through without a hitch. By the way, if that hitch is in the client's interest (like it is a bad deal) it is very 'bad form' to mention it because you 'dance with those as brought you' and that is most certainly not the client.

    Part of this is that a lot of the more expert lawyers in the Magic Circle are now derided as 'service partners,' even when equity holders, because they are not Corporate or M&A. So a lot of the Magic Circle are running down their intellectual property, competition, litigation, HR, telecoms, commercial and property practices because they don't support a lot of leverage, i.e., a high junior to partner ratio. They see these lawyers as service partners because as far as the corporates are concerned, they exist to advise on deals and keep clients happy between deals.

    Often, prominent service partners actually bring in the clients - corporate partners bide their time until the client has a deal, swoop in, charge a fortune, collect and flap away, leaving the client totally 'hacked off' at the work and the charges from the corporates, and the service partner to deal with the mess.

    The corporates are the ones that are most threatened by the outsourcing though. A lot of their profits comes from the leveraging of projects with dozens of juniors. It is the work those juniors do that can most easily be outsourced, and when that happens the room for a £ markup is tiny. The problem is a lot of the service partners are setting up boutiques and getting good business.

  3. The Law school scam has to be viewed from the more general problem affecting western civilization. The problem is that one group of the socioeconomic classes is getting 100 percent of what it wants at the expense of everyone else. That group is the ultra rich. What do the ultra rich want more than anything else? They want i) a labor surplus and ii) monopoly or cartel status over every industry. Specifically, they want a permanent and global labor surplus. They have realized this goal, and no one, absolutely no one, is going to stop them. They put in crooked politicians that seemed middle class friendly, I.e. Clinton, to achieve these aims.

    The result of this achievement is that anyone outside the mechanism of consolidation and monopolization, I.e. Wall Street and Federal Government, is mostly fucked.

    No matter how specialized your labor skills are, you will be outsourced or insourced if you are in the private sector, eventually, unless you become an owner.

    Having realized this, there is only one caveat, and as this: politicians do not live by the money of the ultra rich alone, They also live on votes. If you want to survive, your vote has to matter. Your vote only matters if you do a job that society says is ok for you to complain. If you get an education, I.e. doctor, engineer, accountant, and especially lawyer, you can't complain. If you become, in the right part of the country, a cop, fireman, plumber, carpenter, electrician, correction officer, garbage man, etc., you can complain.

    It's that simple. I was reading an article on Gawked that basically stated a California Corrections Officer will make more money than your MEDIAN Harvard college grad. The comments section were full of people defending the Corrections Officers. My favorite comment indicated that the acceptance rate for the Prison Academy is lower than that of Haravrd, as if the pool of applicants is in any way comparable ( there is a question on the prison exam asking if there are 180 beds and 89 are full, how many are empty. I am not kidding).

    I have never in my life seen any white collar professional group receive this kind of defense, including the technical people in the STEM field who are being butchered by the slaves of the third world. And with respect to lawyers, I see glee on behalf of the general public for our plight.

    So, if this blog wants to make a dent in the present issue, we need to start steering young kids in the right direction, and that direction is protected municipal employment. We can sit here and do the circle jerk all day long, but that does not change a fucking thing. The only thing that will save you today is if you have a job where you can complain; otherwise, someone will figure out how to outsource or insource your job. The end

    1. 9:33, would it be superfluous of me to point out that when everyone is on the gubmint payroll there will be no more wealth created and thus nothing to tax? And don't look for the California prison guard racket to go on forever. They could fill those jobs right now with people willing to work for half as much and that day will come when California's government implodes under the weight of all the overpaid union freeloaders who hold the leash of their state legislature.

    2. Not the "go be cops" fallacy again..?

    3. Agreed. Municipal (gov't) employment is not the answer. Look at Detroit.

      That time has come and gone. All levels of gov't are cutting back everywhere.

      The post was spot-on until the "steering [towards] municipal employment" part.

      We need a strong private sector. Not more (G) spending in GDP, which is just lipstick on a pig.

      However, that, too, has come and gone.

      It's in no one's interests - at least anyone who "matters" - to have a strong middle class anymore.

      The answer is no more education after high school - unless it will be completely 100% free. No more Debt Slaves. The problems will then begin to take care of themselves as far as individuals are concerned.

      The way to prosperity is no longer education. Don't fall into the Trap.

    4. Excellent comment. You could not be more right about the labor surplus desires of the ultra rich, and that they achieve this matter with express collusion of the federal government. The only thing I question is how stable municipal employment really is, particularly in California. San Francisco and San Jose are going bankrupt paying public employees. Don't be a prison guard, be a BART shack operator. Do literally nothing all day, and be surly in response to the ultra rare customer inquiry. That's worth $130,000 / year, provided you have the correct skin tone.

      70% consumption GDP, and the consumer has had his entrails scooped out with uneven inflation that has hit housing (particularly in California, with median rents now higher than the height of the bubble), but definitely has not hit wages.

      It's all down hill for this country. Go to a cheap, sparsely populated state that will benefit from the influx of people fleeing the insanity in New Jersey, New York, California, etc.

      We sold our souls for cheap Chinese goods, and sat by while a yuan-dollar peg allowed China to out "compete" us on labor costs. Why did we never do anything to undermine the peg, like for instance, sell no US Treasuries to the Chinese, so they can eat our inflation and like it with no protection? That's Bill Clinton indeed, and every single filthy little rat in DC who has debt-financed their reelections by printing 1-1.3 trillion dollars every year and handing it to "primary dealer" private banks.

      We got ripped off, staggeringly ripped off, and it's all going to collapse. So, we should be teaching and steering young kids to invent the new guillotine, period.

    5. On the last thread where this was discussed, it seemed like there was one whiny 40-something who hijacked the discussion and said it wouldn't work since he was too old to be a cop. I will agree that most law students are not predisposed to working in law enforcement, but maybe 10% could pursue that as an alternative. Recently, one of Harvard's commencement speakers was a guy who had gone to Harvard as an undergrad, joined the NYPD, and was back getting a Masters in Public Administration, probably paid for by the department. At one point, he was talking about high salaries, but then interjected a joke- "But as a public servant, I wouldn't know." Ha ha ha. He is probably within sight of retirement.

    6. I'm the whiny 40-something who said that it wouldn't work for himself, since he was too old to become a cop. It has nothing to do with predisposition and everything to do with the fact that the door is firmly closed. Someone said to get a job in the NYPD, and I pointed out that the NYPD has a firm policy of not hiring people of my age.

      If you have any serious suggestions as to what I should do, I'm all ears. In the meantime, don't accuse me of whining.

    7. "The answer is no more education after high school - unless it will be completely 100% free. No more Debt Slaves. The problems will then begin to take care of themselves as far as individuals are concerned.

      The way to prosperity is no longer education. Don't fall into the Trap."

      Amen, 1:14. Here's the back story. My father grew up in a Minnesota county seat of about 4,000 people in the 1920's and 30's. He says that you could count on your fingers and toes the people in that town who had a four year college degree. Doctors, dentists, judges, lawyers, the superintendent of schools, the Catholic pastor and my grandfather, who was the county highway engineer and had a B.S. in civil engineering - the only engineering degree in the county. Accountants had two year degrees as did teachers, principals and Protestant ministers. Bank presidents were high school graduates who had worked their way up from teller. And you know what? The books balanced, the banks didn't fail, the kids got much better educations than they do now and the Lutherans fully understood the concept of redemption by grace. Somewhere, probably starting with the GI Bill, we let the education racket tell us you needed to know what they were teaching to get anywhere, even though the world worked perfectly well when very few people went to college. Once the pigs got used to the cash flow they got greedy and started raising the prices to where they are now, at an unsustainable level.

    8. Further to 4:23's point, I am reminded of an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Serious trekkies forgive me for incorrect details. The Enterprise responds to a call from one of two neighboring planets, we'll call them A and B. A's one remaining spaceship has broken down and they need help fixing it. The ship is critical because the people of A have long all had a disease that they believe is fatal if they don't take a drug that can only be produced on Planet B. They need the ship to go over to B to buy the drug and bring it back. Planet A was more technologically advanced than Planet B and far more prosperous, but is now impoverished as all of its wealth goes to Planet B, which can dictate the price of the life saving drug. The people of Planet B live like kings. Eventually the Enterprise's doctor determines that the people of Planet A aren't sick at all. They used to be but got addicted to the drug and the symptoms they feel when they stop getting it are actually just withdrawal symptoms. The Enterprise folks say only that they cannot violate "the prime directive" to not interfere in other civilizations and they leave without fixing the ship. But of course they know that the Planet A folks will soon discover that they didn't die and resume their prosperous lifestyle while the folks on Planet B will be so far up shit creek they might never come back down.

      That's where we're at with higher education. The people who sell it say you are lost without it and they have a monopoly, can set their prices as they please and are going rich off the consumers. Slowly but steadily those of us on Planet A are waking up to the fact that we might not really need it.

    9. 5:55, 1:56 here. Believe it or not, there are other people besides yourself who have been scammed by the law schools. As I said, law enforcement is not a good option for most of them, but for a few, it could be a viable choice.

    10. I'm beginning to think that most high school kids should only undertake post-secondary education if they can avoid debt. Education debt is toxic and should be avoided like smallpox. But it would be a brave high school student who can resist the siren call of college, when the pressure to go from all sides is overwhelming.

      A part time associates degree from community college might be the way to go for many kids, but unfortunately I wonder if many community colleges are now ramping their tuition to the stars to partake of that sweet, sweet federal loan money pie.

  4. Voting is useless. Helen Keller pointedly observed that voting is just a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledee. The US is a one-party state that pretends to have two parties.

    Municipal employment is great for those few that can get it. But it's not a solution for everyone. I for one won't even be considered for a job as a police officer, firefighter, garbage collector, or whatever.

    Subtract 89 from 180 with a pencil? Hell, I could calculate the cube root of 89 to several digits in my head. A fine lot of good that does me.

  5. According to a new report by Oxfam, the world's eighty-five (85) richest people are worth as much as half the population, not this country's population...the world's. So, these 85 rich cats are worth as much as 3 1/2 billion people. We should be trying to save them money because after all they should really be worth more than 3/4 of the population. GOAL to the rescue.

  6. Bro/Broess, you are right. Don't try to become a cop or tradesmen because the 3 months in opportunity cost and few k necessary to go to a relevant city for testing is too much of an expense. I mean, only one percent of applicants can get those jobs, and the applicant pool is totally equivalent to those trying to get into professional/graduate school programs. And you know, if you don't get one of those jobs, oh the horror, you wasted three months and a few k in travel costs.

    The better thing to do is spend 7 years trying to become a lawyer, amass a few hundred k in non dischargeable debt, with the hope of being one of the top one percent that gets a job with a 5 year shelf life where you work 80 hours a week and your after tax and after loan payment compensation is roughly the same as the guy working for the municipality. Oh yeah, people are also becoming millionaires trying to figure out how to get you fired and send your job to India. I mean, that's a totally better move than trying and failing at getting a job where no one can outsource you and the politicians have your fucking back all the way to the bank and retirement at 45.

    Wait, wait I know what you are thinking. Everyone on the police force is working on the force because they have a relative or friend on the force. Same thing in the trades. And you know, that kind of shit doesn't go down in the law. Yet another reason to keep fucking that chicken, education baby, get it.

    Wait, I know, The answer isn't law, it's STEM! Because, let me tell you, in STEM, you'll likely get a decent job for like 5 years, and then, someone with an H1b1 visa will take your job or your job will go to China. But hey, it's easier than getting those municipal jobs with such vaunted examination question involving basic arithmetic. I mean, again, only one percent get those jobs. It's more selective than Haravrd, and who has three months to waste.

    Better to spend four years studying differential equations and shit, you know that's easier than trying to get into the trades.

    What's that you say (or are going to say in reply to my message)? My sarcastic tone is building up strawmen? You didn't say that LS or college was the way to go, just that I'm arguing for the "cop fallacy," which is just as bad or unattainable.

    No it isnt as unattainable. You can be as politically correct as you want. You can ignore this message all you want.

    Here are the Cold hard facts: the scamblogs have done an excellent job at bringing down applications and bringing awareness to the public on this issue. However, there will never, ever be political change on this issue. White collar professionals are not allowed to complain, they don't matter. And with respect to lawyers, the public loves what is happening to us. Loves it. So, lawyers are in the domain of the labor surplus. The domain of the politically unprotected, like the engineer, the autoworker, the mid- level mareketer, and soon to be medical providers etc, but unlike them, we are also in the domain of the hated. You can write 10,000 blog posts, but no one in power cares about college graduates, and especially Law school graduates. They do care about the cop, the fireman, the garbageman, the big city tradesmen, etc. Why is this relevant? Some more cold hard facts: the only reason applications haven't plummeted further is because law schools are saying the following thing to young, ambitious, and hard working kids: "what else are you going to do with your life?" I know it. I read their blogs, their articles, and I have even heard several law professors at my LS say this to people. Without an answer to that question, there is always going to be more applicants than seats at Law schools. Kids are going to take the life altering gamble on big law and the law school lottery because they see no other options.

    My argument can be ridiculed or censored or ignored, but it's sound.

    1. I'll ridicule your arugment that the autoworker is politically unprotected. GM got bailed out by the federal government in a sweetheart deal to the auto union in pay back for their support of certain politicians and one political party in particular.

      Auto unions are just as politically protected as government employee unions, but they actually face economic competition, so their political protection can only go so far as the economic realities of car makers who make better and cheaper cars (and who don't have to deal with unions) eat into their market share.

      At some point, economic reality will also (or has already started to) hit government employee unions. Besides Detroit, here's a brief MSN article about big cities likely to go bankrupt because of all the unfunded pensions they've promised to their employees:

    2. First of all, I'm not advocating law as a career (quite the contrary), so there's nothing to discuss on that point.

      Second, your strategy would have a chance for people who 1) were young enough and otherwise eligible for those jobs; 2) had a few thousand dollars; 3) could afford to gamble that money on the possibility of a job. Back when I satisfied criterion (1), I did not satisfy criterion (2), to say nothing of (3).

      I grew up in a small town, hours from any major city. The idea of becoming a police officer in some distant city did not even occur to me. I had no meaningful guidance on professional options (only much later did I find out that some people got this sort of service at school), and in any event no one would have suggested anything but university to me. There was simply zero chance of my becoming a police officer in New York.

      Why not do it now? For one thing, they won't even consider a person of my age. End of that goddamn discussion.

      Back in the 1980s, when I came out of high school, STEM looked awfully attractive. I went into it and did well—while it lasted.

      So now STEM is dead, and I'm too old to become a police officer, a firefighter, a garbage collector, a tradesman—or a lawyer. What the hell am I supposed to do?

      As I said above, your suggestion may work for a few individuals, but it won't work for people in general. That emphatically does not mean that they should go into law; again, the number of law students is about seven or eight times what it should be. But they may not have good prospects in any line of work. The idea that they can all go off and become pigs in Brooklyn or truck drivers in western North Dakota is simply absurd.

    3. "I'll ridicule your arugment that the autoworker is politically unprotected. GM got bailed out by the federal government in a sweetheart deal to the auto union in pay back for their support of certain politicians and one political party in particular. "

      If GM had gone into bankruptcy, the effects would have been catastrophic. Note that Toyota and Nissan backed the bailout.

    4. Regarding the autoworkers, apologies if I was not clear, I meant exactly what you indicated: they are subject to real economic forces. They don't have real political protection. They have fake political protection because, in the end, they will be outsourced.

      With respect to the big city protected municipal employee, he/she will never be outsourced. Moreover, he/she will never lose out on government gravy. If NYC, Boston, LA, Chicago, etc go bankrupt, the country is finished completely, even for the rich. So no matter what any article says, that gravy train will go on so long as the US exists in its present form. Once that gravy ends, everyone is fucked.

    5. UAW employees had their pay halved and health care privatized with a lump sum. This is a class issue.

  7. Heck, why even use Indian lawyers? Just get a bright $10.00 an hour Indian college grad who is fluent in English and teach him to practice law without a license.

  8. Still believe that YOU will beat the odds, armed with a law degree from RuTTger$ or CreighTTTon, lemmings?!?!

  9. Outsourcing: the only way to practice any sort of "international" law for 99% of graduates.

  10. This:

    To the kids reading this: These blogs and all comments are under heavy scrutiny from the Dept. of Justice and Homeland Security etc.

    For sure, Campos and Tamanaha are problematic in a moral and human sense, and at the very least heroic in the sense that they both do the best job(s) of publicly holding their noses once in a while whilst accepting their publicly funded paychecks, and for that they are a sort of first wave of morally problematic Heroes among the half ass employed (but doing OK in life overall) complainers of the legal profession that buzz around here like angry hornets who are generally discontented and unhappy and old and getting uglier with age.

    But I forgot, this blog does not champion the causes that it calims it does, and this blog does not accept any disagreement or argument, and OLSS is likely planing a ticker tape parade with C and T on a mickey mouse float, upon which they will roll down the avenue with an independent air as in the Magnificent Ambersons, and break the bank blah.

    BTW, Campos and Tamanaha did absolutely beat the odds and made it to the top of the crap pile and now want to speak for a collective soul of their peers and fellow scammers, and control all dialogue, and so far they are winning, and when it suits their clothes.

    But be sure they probably would not have expressed anything without making sure their pensions were vested.

    Such is the nature of things and in the best of all possible worlds.

    1. Who let the troll in?

      Sounds like some lib. professor bullshit here, par excellence.

  11. If there weren't links in the original article, I would have thought it was a parody. It's that crazy and insane. Time for a revolution.

  12. There's also the immigration bill approved by the Senate, which will bring in about 3 million legal immigrants per year (poor and third world mostly). Immigration is obviously a source of income inequality, both by lowering wages and actually increasing the # of poor people. Much of the "rising inequality over the past few decades" story is actually due to immigration -- the importation of poor people.

    The bill also changes the procedural law for deportation hearings, increasing burden of proof on the government. That makes is harder to deport people.

    If this bill happens, legal immigration is going to double from its present 1.5 million per year to 3. Currently, Americans have about 4.1 million children per year. If "immigration reform happens," there will be 7.1 million new Americans every year and 42% of all population growth will be foreigners arriving here.

    Every decade, America will bring in 30 million people, mostly poor, some very very poor. You will not recognize America after a few years as it becomes a third world country very quickly.

    Farmers gets their cabbage pickers, big business gets a flood of H1B cheap labor, a certain political party gets their permanent majority status, and America gets turned into an overpopulated 3rd world slum.

    1. yup, mass immigration and higher education are two of the biggest scams of the overclass in america


    You could try and become a big law partner, with all the pain and risk that that entails, or you could try to do the above. I'm just saying, when comparing apples to apples.

  14. Here is a fact on todays lawyers market place:
    After 4 years of UG + 3 years of law school + 100K of debt + 3-4 years of experience you can apply to Craigslist 3/5/14 New York ($40/hour)
    Personal Injury Attorney-Immediate Staffing (Rosdale, NY)
    compensation: $40/hr
    contract job

    Our law firm client located in Rosedale NY is seeking an experienced Personal Injury Contract Attorney to assist in a very busy practice.
    Requirements are:
    * minimum of 3-4 years experience in personal injury law
    *experience with writing and assembling motions
    * Must be willing to 40 hours per week
    * admitted in NY State

    1. And this on the high end, lol.

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