I've…seen things you people wouldn't believe…lawyers doing traffic violation cases for $50. I watched JDs sling lattes in the dark at the local hipster coffee shop near the Golden Gate Bridge. All those…graduates…will be lost in time, like tears…in…rain. Time to do doc review…
...but when does it become data? When N = 15? N = 50? N = 10,000 graduates per year? When does someone finally agree that people are struggling to practice law, not because of their own ineptitude, but because they can't even get started?
By my count, I found that N was approximately equal to 22 in the case of a thread on JDU that asked about whether anyone had ever practiced law. The thread and link is reproduced below the break, but a couple of stand-out comments are here. One is by "bittersweet":
bittersweet (Mar 4, 2015 - 5:40 pm)
'97 Grad. If you are not counting DR, never practiced. I disagree with that assessment BTW, but that's another discussion.
I looked for a "real" job as an attorney for 2+ years before doing doc review full time. By then I was so far behind I had no choice. Even during DR I continue to search for that unicorn - I mean "real" job. I can usually get as far as an interview about every other year or so, but it still hasn't happened.
At this point, looking for a "real" job as outside of law as I can afford while still owing 60K for law school.
'97 Grad. If you are not counting DR, never practiced. I disagree with that assessment BTW, but that's another discussion.
I looked for a "real" job as an attorney for 2+ years before doing doc review full time. By then I was so far behind I had no choice. Even during DR I continue to search for that unicorn - I mean "real" job. I can usually get as far as an interview about every other year or so, but it still hasn't happened.
At this point, looking for a "real" job as outside of law as I can afford while still owing 60K for law school.
The other is from "kansas", a long-time JDU participant, who had the following comment:
kansas (Mar 6, 2015 - 12:44 am)
I wish I had never practiced. I did though, was determined to do it. First: solo shop, split fee. He gave me every bad case that paid $500 up front, I got a few clients after the first year, but I made 13K in year 1 working 70 hours. Year 3, I told him I needed 36k plus a percentage of new biz, but then discovered he hadn't been paying the withholding for the staff (and me) and left. Corp temp for a while, shouldn't have left that probably. A disastrous stint as a state revenue agent (everyone in the remote office I was at was related, and trailer trash, except for me). Back to private practice, a small firm with ex biglaw-ish partners, $40k for me and 70 hours a week, no lie, and no client contact at all - they knew how it was done. Split for another little firm, a distant shirttail relative partner hired me. She died, I carried on for a couple years but the remaining partners decided to axe my practice area, they were PI litigators, I was RE and tax/regulatory, and they weren't ever going to make me a partner or let me develop the practice. So, solo. Did it for some years, it was always hard though I had a few decent business clients. Not enough unfortunately. Lot of small business tax controversy, and I can't recommend that, it somehow never ends up billing out. I managed to get a job with a company that does contracts management for a particular type of commercial real estate. It pays okay and I like the work. But not super stable, it's sort of boom and bust. I am applying for federal contracts mgt jobs like a boss. Wish me luck.
The comments all speak for themselves, but what is striking here is that kansas is the arguable "success" compared to the other posters in the thread, but even then the lack of opportunities, low pay and/or lack of paying clients, difficult working conditions and everything else led to one conclusion - getting out as soon as possible. Bittersweet graduated long before the Great Recession, the favorite Cartel whipping-boy for why the market seems to refuse to absorb new lawyers at the current rate of production, yet even in the so-called "golden years" things were not rosy and there are still significant loans to pay.
For every ScamDean or LawProf that says that "a law degree is valuable" or "a law degree is versatitle," I would wager there are at least twenty graduates paying on their loans while working doc review, doing non-law jobs, or trying to get out of law altogether who would respond with a resounding "no way!" Valuable and versatile for the law schools themselves, perhaps; not so much for their graduates.
As applications decline, enrollments fall and law schools poach each other's students in internecine competition for income, it is truly gratifying to see actual data have its intended, corrective effects on the law school "market." It's amazing what a little transparency can do. 0Ls, pay heed to these warnings before making your decisions.


