tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post9215025404400573343..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Vanity Rephrased, Part Two: Ave Maria's Big Splash and a Prayer for ReliefUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-30449392017993354832016-09-14T07:34:44.636-06:002016-09-14T07:34:44.636-06:00Ave Maria is the worst school you will ever go too...Ave Maria is the worst school you will ever go too. DON't DO IT TO YOURSELF. The administration is unfit to run a school,they are ass backward and confused. They do not practice Catholicism in the correct manner, they just put it in their name just to get people to attend. Their housing element is what attracts people to their school because other law schools don't provide housing, but even that's a scam. They make your lease end on the 31st of July, but will only let your loan cover until the last of day of classes which is in May. They have this idiot in charge of housing, and he has no idea how to explain himself, and contradict everything that comes out of his mouth.They are money hungry school who will charge for anything they possibly can and will never be straight forward with you about anything. Law school is hard enough to have the stress of being afraid of not being good enough on your back. They lie about being number one because they are not number 1 at shit, they are the bottom of everything, and whenever you tell someone what school you went too. No one will know about Ave or they will have something negative to say about it. Spare yourself of the money you probably don't have and will end up owing attending this shitty school. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-61897901831550343602016-06-10T23:56:54.800-06:002016-06-10T23:56:54.800-06:00Ave Maria Law is a sketchy, shady place where you ...Ave Maria Law is a sketchy, shady place where you will not succeed unless the administration, in particular Timothy Tracey, who is unfortunately a Dean, and Kevin Ceiply also an unfit "Dean and President of the school," like you and you are a devout Catholic. At this "school," administration will judge you if you aren't a Catholic and will discriminate against you -and most importantly, against your grades for not being of their liking. There is a lot of cheating going on during exams and administration knows it and still allows it because they are thirsty for money, so they let people they like to get away with it. Ave Maria School of Law survives out of first year students. Everyone who goes there and sees how shady that school operates will transfer at their most immediate opportunity (their first year class starts with about 150 students and only about 13 students graduate each year because everyone else leaves and those who stay and the most mediocre ones who cannot get accepted anywhere else). Ave Maria Law is after your money in a desperate, sad way, don't go there. Find a better school.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15648343463464325495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-1926221372857790242015-04-24T07:27:53.959-06:002015-04-24T07:27:53.959-06:00You're cruel - but I am surprised that this di...You're cruel - but I am surprised that this didn't happen already.<br /><br />-BarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-40085187509650768012015-04-24T07:27:30.664-06:002015-04-24T07:27:30.664-06:00The author had a very good point - what the Olin F...The author had a very good point - what the Olin Foundation did, to boost the 'law and economics' movement, was to give full law school scholarships to econ Ph.d.'s (as well has hosting seminars for judges in the tropics, during January and February, which oddly doesn't count as bribery). Those people excelled, and brought the Chicago School into law.<br /><br /><br />For $300K/student, Monaghan could give a full ride to elite grads from elite Catholic schools to any law school to which they could earn admission. He could have the grads vetted so that they would likely be faithful, and to keep their faith (as Monaghan defines it).<br /><br />The extra $50K would cover attendance at conferences, workshops and various networking events, so that the grads would graduate knowing a lot more about the outside legal world (regular firm work, government work, lobbying, academia, etc.).<br /><br />For $10 million/year, he could fund 30 students/year. After 10 years, he'd have put out 300 students. All elite, all grads of elite schools, all vetted, all especially well prepped to succeed. <br /><br />That would be a tremendous network, especially considering that this program would have plugged them into existing right-wing Catholic legal networks.<br /><br />-BarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-73707422751862855532015-04-23T18:29:47.540-06:002015-04-23T18:29:47.540-06:00"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar'..."Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, render unto God that which is God's."<br /><br />"Christian law school" is an oxymoron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-11831107876520268892015-04-23T16:17:19.093-06:002015-04-23T16:17:19.093-06:00Do you mean Ann Arbor or Collier County, Fla?Do you mean Ann Arbor or Collier County, Fla?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-85673296307604078242015-04-23T07:53:00.643-06:002015-04-23T07:53:00.643-06:00They should arrange for their top student to take ...They should arrange for their top student to take the bar exam in some obscure state so that they can go to the top of the list, with 100% of their students (all one of them) passing.Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-55924670851048747902015-04-22T20:31:35.015-06:002015-04-22T20:31:35.015-06:00"[R]anked No. 1 in the state of Florida with ..."[R]anked No. 1 in the state of Florida with 83 percent of graduates passing the February bar exam on the first try, far exceeding the statewide average passing rate of 64.3 percent."<br /><br />I'd be bragging too if this were the first exam in the preceding FOUR that my in$titution hadn't been DEAD LAST in the state--including out-of-staters who didn't spend 3 years being force-fed materials to boost passage rates. Add onto that terrible statistic some interspersed 0% passage rates within the last 4 years--during this time they were dead last 7 of 8 administrations. <br /><br />But seriously, is this some sort of joke? Is Ave Maria so stupid that they think their future knucle-dragging matriculants aren't able to either (1) find, (2) read, or (3) comprehend archived 509s? <br /><br />If I were in their position I would talk a lot more about ministry and a lot less about bar exam numbers. After all, this place appears to be in violation of ABA Interpretation 301-6(A) regarding minimum bar passage requirements.<br /><br />http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/misc/legal_education/Standards/2013_2014_standards_chapter3.authcheckdam.pdf<br /><br />I feel as though this cesspool is trying to insult our collective intelligence. Optimism is one thing; this sort of salesmanship is pure bullshit. Do the idiots in the administration wonder why they have and/or will be sued for deceptive recruiting? This could be Exhibit A of such a suit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-5195078346939091872015-04-22T16:44:21.342-06:002015-04-22T16:44:21.342-06:00Religious law schools. Serving God and Mammon (Mat...Religious law schools. Serving God and Mammon (Matthew vi.24).<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3605316809533147552015-04-22T08:44:49.210-06:002015-04-22T08:44:49.210-06:00I think it does create a niche market. There is p...I think it does create a niche market. There is probably not a problem in principle with a faith-based law school, and I think it could be strongly argued that they instill a strong sense of ethics, morals, and mission.<br /><br />Of course, that is not to say that a "secular" law school couldn't do the exact same thing. The issue is further compounded that the "faith-based" schools seems to give about the same damn about graduate outcomes as their "secular" counterparts (which is to say, none), so long as the gravy keeps flowing.<br /><br />If you hold yourself out as "above it all," then they should also "render unto themselves with sober judgment" and close. If you are harming lives, stop. Funny, the religious schools seem content with looking the other way, so they are no better nor deserving than any other hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-9704480817260679892015-04-22T07:56:17.522-06:002015-04-22T07:56:17.522-06:00What's the need for law schools with a religio...What's the need for law schools with a religious axe to grind? There are Catholic ones (quite a few), mainline Protestant ones, fundamentalist Protestant ones, Jewish ones… Why can't they leave god out of it and get about the business of teaching law? Is religious segmentation just a way to create a niche market?Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-8987076655610661882015-04-21T10:54:00.025-06:002015-04-21T10:54:00.025-06:009:13, you hit the bullseye. The Ann Arbor operati...9:13, you hit the bullseye. The Ann Arbor operation had some success recruiting several conservative, but fairly respected high profile academics to teach there. These folks came from places where speaking out against university policy was tolerated, and even accepted as part of normal discourse and the give-and-take of ideas. When Monaghan announced that he was going to pack up the school and move to the swamp, the profs who spoke out against this ill-fated move found themselves locked out of their offices, and summarily fired in a manner more befitting an assistant store manager who couldn't reconcile the amount of pepperoni used against the total number of pizzas sold. <br /><br />Monaghan wants conformity to his edicts and punishes those who do not obey. This makes Ave Maria more like a Catholic version of Liberty or Bob Jones U than a center of excellence to which he allegedly aspires.<br /><br />I have mentioned in other places that Ave Maria is Monaghan's vanity project; nothing more. There are hundreds of good Catholic colleges and universities, some of them financially struggling, upon which he could've bestowed his largess. Of course, he wouldn't get to run those places like a private fiefdom, which is all it was about anyway. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-58264194596002602212015-04-21T10:35:13.394-06:002015-04-21T10:35:13.394-06:00Location, location, location. Choosing a rural are...Location, location, location. Choosing a rural area in a hyper-glutted state was a terrible decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-76688002948427729032015-04-21T10:13:40.293-06:002015-04-21T10:13:40.293-06:00Closing down the Ann Arbor law school was incredib...Closing down the Ann Arbor law school was incredibly foolish and arrogant on Monaghan's part. They have zero chance of replicating in Florida the modest success they achieved in Michigan. Any conservative catholic legal scholar who trusted Monaghan has already been burned, and there simply aren't enough of those people left to staff an adequate law school, let alone the beacon of excellence Monaghan has in mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-68396270046305746502015-04-21T08:02:36.686-06:002015-04-21T08:02:36.686-06:00Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, a...Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.<br /><br />Ecclesiastes 1:2 - "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."<br /><br /><br />But hey, y'know, whatevs. There are law students to be pumped-and-dumped, and names to be put on buildings, and other vanity items to be indulged in.dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-90137803020532382732015-04-21T07:28:39.033-06:002015-04-21T07:28:39.033-06:00This is excellent work Truth Center. It seems cle...This is excellent work Truth Center. It seems clear that Ave Maria is in dire financial shape. Here’s hoping and praying that this smoldering trash heap gets shut down sooner rather than later. One other thing to keep in mind: the dismal 43/76 Florida bar passage rate for Ave Maria grads last summer came from a class with a median LSAT score of 150 when they enrolled in the Fall of 2011. What will those bar passage rates look like when the most recent entering class (143 median) sits for the bar? You can fully expect an all-out assault on the “unfair” and “discriminatory” bar exam by the law school cartel when the chickens from their open-admissions policies come home to roost. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com