tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post737778531005470305..comments2024-03-27T20:23:56.493-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Strict Scrutiny: Olympia Duhart Says Making Money Has No Place In Law SchoolUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-13341228085010329432014-09-24T20:08:02.469-06:002014-09-24T20:08:02.469-06:00When these boomer fuckers were in school, they cer...When these boomer fuckers were in school, they certainly didn't do unpaid work. Paying jobs abounded. As I said above, the idea of an unpaid "internship" didn't exist.<br /><br />Old GuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-59721583776562930362014-09-24T12:49:43.233-06:002014-09-24T12:49:43.233-06:00Unless you actually get a pay check, you won't...Unless you actually get a pay check, you won't be allowed near anything of merit. So this idea of an externship for credit (not money) is utterly useless as a teaching tool.<br /><br />In my case, I did both during my law school years. I had a part time job doing legal research for my second and third year, AND I was in a clinical for credit. Both were more enjoyable than the classroom, but the clinical was really us sitting around a table gossiping for several hours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3680874864243227482014-09-24T12:32:44.637-06:002014-09-24T12:32:44.637-06:00FYI -- internships for physicians today pay betwee...FYI -- internships for physicians today pay between $40,000 and $50,000 per year. They last between 3 to 6 years, and there are enough of them for the graduates of American medical schools (even the DO schools), as well as some foreign medical graduates returning to the US (i.e., the people who could not get into an American school).<br /><br />Quite different from law schools, where half of the graduates are unable to find work. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-65699015640426106492014-09-24T08:50:56.707-06:002014-09-24T08:50:56.707-06:00My guess is 1967 based on UG completion.My guess is 1967 based on UG completion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-43094982776871902542014-09-24T07:24:43.005-06:002014-09-24T07:24:43.005-06:00Agreed.
IMO, It's always the so-called "...Agreed.<br /><br />IMO, It's always the so-called "givers" who had backing to spare in life labeling the rest as "takers" because they couldn't take the necessary steps to do what those with family wealth, connections, and grooming do easily to secure their stepping stones in life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-41554350949552234172014-09-24T07:03:17.396-06:002014-09-24T07:03:17.396-06:00These LawPrawfs get on their high-horse about &quo...These LawPrawfs get on their high-horse about "giving back" and "working for others," like it is some maturation rite-of-passage.<br /><br />Perhaps it can be. However, when tuition was a fraction of what it is now, in inflation-adjusted dollars, you could mete out this "rolling-up-your-sleeves" internship/externship crap without killing people. Even when it was done to give kids a can of buck-up, it's not like Charles Emerson Winchester III didn't have other backing to rely upon. Point made, it wasn't that painful, move on.<br /><br />TL;DR: LawPrawfs didn't "give back" when they were in law school. That's what scholarships and family money were for: to work the free jobs necessary to get the gold stars so that they could do what they do now. And they have the audacity to lecture others on working for free, who don't have scholarships, family money, or other backing, and are payiong tuition that will haunt them for the next 25 years.<br /><br />TL,TL,DR: LawPrawfs, STFU.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-75213222878348156252014-09-24T05:15:49.466-06:002014-09-24T05:15:49.466-06:00Well said, Old Guy. A classic example of how peop...Well said, Old Guy. A classic example of how people co-opt words to add gravitas to their own situation. It's like people who claim to be "incest survivors." How many people have died of incest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89249132139806868232014-09-23T23:35:26.692-06:002014-09-23T23:35:26.692-06:00If taking on an unpaid job (however glorified as a...If taking on an unpaid job (however glorified as an "internship" or an "externship" or whatever) is the way forward, I may as well spend my last few dollars on hemlock. Certainly I don't have the funds, or even the desire, to support myself while doing unpaid work.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-90471569893462864902014-09-23T23:25:31.828-06:002014-09-23T23:25:31.828-06:00When I was an undergraduate, an internship was a w...When I was an undergraduate, an internship was a well-paying job for a person in training to become a physician. <br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-85476363117227793882014-09-23T16:50:30.845-06:002014-09-23T16:50:30.845-06:00So, I think I got this now: You will receive acade...So, I think I got this now: You will receive academic credit but God forbid you might make $0.01 blessed of a cent doing it. In other words, not even fricken' gas money to cover the expense of commuting to an externship. In other words, this bullshit is just another extension of the basic Scam: Credit for paying money (out of pocket in this case) to get it. And they get free labor. Great!!<br /><br />Now I remember why I never did an externship / internship. Because of crap like this. As far as gas money, add it up. Today, that alone will put you out of pocket probably a grand over the course of the externship.<br /><br />Just one more prick to draw some financial blood.<br /><br />What a bunch of crap!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-77673242765465751422014-09-23T10:56:49.082-06:002014-09-23T10:56:49.082-06:00Not sure how old Olympia Duhart is, but things wer...Not sure how old Olympia Duhart is, but things were a bit different years ago. If you graduated law school in the '80s or early '90s, it wasn't unheard of for graduates of lower ranked law schools to get good jobs.<br /><br />This older generation simply had it easier than we do, and they cannot understand what we are going through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80651213313295465052014-09-23T10:25:26.305-06:002014-09-23T10:25:26.305-06:00While I agree with MA's take on her op-ed, man...While I agree with MA's take on her op-ed, many of your comments don't appear rooted in fact. It looks like she worked between undergrad and law school, 5 or so years as a newspaper reporter and then 5 or 6 as a HS teacher. It also looks like she worked throughout law school (how much, who knows, but it doesn't appear to have nothing but party time).<br /><br />In any event, while I doubt working as a reporter or HS teacher is as tough as being a biglaw 1st year, it's not as if she doesn't know what work is.<br /><br />So, pound on the message. Pound on the messenger, too, if need be, if and as warranted. <br /><br />Just my two cents.<br /><br />That and a dollar will get you a candy bar and a pack of gum.Imagining The Open Toadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-46298726471928427362014-09-23T09:39:18.445-06:002014-09-23T09:39:18.445-06:00To be fair, she may be eaaaaaarly, eaaaaaarly Gen-...To be fair, she may be eaaaaaarly, eaaaaaarly Gen-X. Even still, point made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-58730219931824288482014-09-23T07:11:53.257-06:002014-09-23T07:11:53.257-06:00But....(sputter)...allowing students to enforce le...But....(sputter)...allowing students to enforce legal rights against law schools...(shudder)...would threaten...(wheeze)..."academic integrity!" <br /><br />And paychecks. Don't forget paychecks. Clearly you are a monster who hates freedom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-33356178950990291632014-09-23T07:06:12.781-06:002014-09-23T07:06:12.781-06:00Absolutely. But what can you expect from a Boomer...Absolutely. But what can you expect from a Boomer, really? "Do as I say, not as I do" is the battle cry of their generation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-52702993621008562522014-09-23T05:44:07.981-06:002014-09-23T05:44:07.981-06:00I read the article and don't agree with your a...I read the article and don't agree with your analysis. I think you are misusing the word "illusory." Their power is very real. The article details many draconian applications of it. The NCAA's authority, however, is subject to court challenges wherein it is claimed that it violates various laws. Their power is not "almost entirely illusory," it is almost entirely of questionable legality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19369046734946553172014-09-22T22:00:52.410-06:002014-09-22T22:00:52.410-06:00These thieving academic pigs are beyond filth. Th...These thieving academic pigs are beyond filth. They are only in it for the federal loan cash - students are just walking promissory cheques for their garbage education. We need laws to allow law students to financial recover directly from the academic thieves who fleeced them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-43447393092849905232014-09-22T21:16:34.270-06:002014-09-22T21:16:34.270-06:00I'm thinking that Olympia Duhart's outlook...I'm thinking that Olympia Duhart's outlook may have been shaped by her own legal education--at Nova Southeastern, of all places. Almost no one from there gets a biglaw job, not even for 9 months. She probably didn't like having to bill hours, and the biglaw workload must have been a culture shock after the endless party of her own JD program. So she decided to crawl back into the warm, comfortable womb of academia, which is the only place she won't be exploited. In her eyes, it's literally the only ethical thing to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-87167002542076003282014-09-22T20:12:02.033-06:002014-09-22T20:12:02.033-06:00You are absolutely right, 119/448. I did not find...You are absolutely right, 119/448. I did not find her CV, and so went by the dates listed on her linked-in profile-- June '03 to August '04.dybbuk123https://www.blogger.com/profile/08142974443119061724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-53749246410316892222014-09-22T19:43:51.833-06:002014-09-22T19:43:51.833-06:00I was just going to post this. It's okay, in o...I was just going to post this. It's okay, in other words, depending on the direction of the money flow.<br /><br />We're at the point where the arguments, if you can even call them that at this point, from these completely out-of-touch thieving academics are utterly ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45379185667771645372014-09-22T19:31:26.979-06:002014-09-22T19:31:26.979-06:00Their power is almost entirely illusory. I urge yo...Their power is almost entirely illusory. I urge you to read "The Shame of College Sports" by Taylor Branch. Here's a link: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/308643/MAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03915336599679180831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-58705933778536731722014-09-22T18:33:47.507-06:002014-09-22T18:33:47.507-06:00Law profs: Giving them money promotes academic in...Law profs: Giving them money promotes academic integrity<br /><br />Law school students: Giving them money threatens academic integrity.<br /><br />Taxpayers: Need to provide lots and lots money with no strings attached and without worrying about outcomes, in order to promote academic integrity.<br /><br />Academic integrity: Whatever is convenient for profs and administrators. Money is involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-91393430995060289932014-09-22T17:48:18.838-06:002014-09-22T17:48:18.838-06:00Sorry, Correction to 1:19- that should be 10 and a...Sorry, Correction to 1:19- that should be 10 and a half months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-78870358681793320842014-09-22T14:19:21.276-06:002014-09-22T14:19:21.276-06:00Huh, Dybbuk? Her CV (Experience Section) states th...Huh, Dybbuk? Her CV (Experience Section) states that she was an associate from September 2003- July 2004. See http://www.nsulaw.nova.edu/documents/cv/163.pdf.<br /><br />She got licensed on September 16, 2003 according to the Florida Bar. So, if she worked until the end of July 2004, that's 9 and a half months as a practicing attorney, at least according to the Experience Section of her CV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-7027547480135922112014-09-22T13:21:30.308-06:002014-09-22T13:21:30.308-06:00Duhart: "Yes, law students need money. They a...Duhart: "Yes, law students need money. They also need experience."<br /><br />Really? Law students need experience? Then why can law student earn a JD without even being in the same room with a practicing lawyer?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com