tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post6286908305210727841..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: It's time for some more Donation Request LettersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-51160261142007136902015-10-11T21:35:48.709-06:002015-10-11T21:35:48.709-06:00That reminds me of the vile, filthy post that Bria...That reminds me of the vile, filthy post that Brian Leiter made on his "philosophy" blog to protest the Salaita case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-36784690782349072572015-10-11T18:21:53.801-06:002015-10-11T18:21:53.801-06:00You have too much time on your hands.You have too much time on your hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-70373051183292288222015-10-11T13:53:46.270-06:002015-10-11T13:53:46.270-06:00I wouldn't even donate a bored-at-eleven-in-th...I wouldn't even donate a bored-at-eleven-in-the-morning ejaculation to my law school, even if the dean's wife had her mouth poised and ready to receive, followed by sucking the residue out of my urethra and licking my glans clean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-31916605842686971252015-10-08T17:55:15.536-06:002015-10-08T17:55:15.536-06:00I wish it would happen but the supply of Lemmings ...I wish it would happen but the supply of Lemmings is endless, and as long as those Federal dollars keep flowing, all the Toilets have to do is trim the fat. We all know that law professors are as employable as ice salesmen at the south pole. These rats will protect their sinecures like the cornered rats they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-56163388634314169862015-10-08T14:52:14.487-06:002015-10-08T14:52:14.487-06:00This whole thread has really renewed my anticipati...This whole thread has really renewed my anticipation of some pretentious ninth-tier shithole of a law school closing down. Hofstra, John Marshall, USF, something like that. I would love to watch the faculty parking lot on the day they're all laid off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-48961189291631581132015-10-08T14:27:38.516-06:002015-10-08T14:27:38.516-06:00Whenever my school calls, I just ignore it; every ...Whenever my school calls, I just ignore it; every member of my family does it with their respective schools. Do schools have to do the "Do Not Call" list thing too? Honest question.<br /><br />Anyway, I wanted to share this with you folks at OTLSS...<br />http://rwu.edu/sites/default/files/flipbooks/presidentsreport/presidentsreport13-14/index.html#12<br />First, let me just say that this is not intended to be a slam against either student featured here or to detract from their successes or downplay their struggles, but to show how scummy RWU (with its law school) has become. That being said...<br />Let's take a look at it. First, notice the big-ass blurb right there spouting "Access to Justice", the tagline of all law schools nowadays. Now look at the two students themselves: They're both female, one is LGBT while the other is part of a non-white minority, and the former claims to have endured discrimination and pain as a result of her sexual orientation while the latter had to raise a child all by herself. (They're hitting quite a few Politically Correct points here, aren't they?) And, again, not to detract from their successes or downplay their struggles, but notice the marketing forces at work here: It seems to be saying "A law degree from RWU made my life all better!"<br /><br />And give me enough time, folks, but I'll look for some articles within the past year boasting about how much money RWU raised for the law school and how they're "expanding their presence" or something like that...X-RWUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23676595446378840962015-10-08T09:46:24.977-06:002015-10-08T09:46:24.977-06:00I'd love to read it. Keep this thread going a ...I'd love to read it. Keep this thread going a little longer. Makes for better archives too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-25328914357519373582015-10-08T07:52:26.740-06:002015-10-08T07:52:26.740-06:00Ditto for me as well, 5:37 and 2:59.Ditto for me as well, 5:37 and 2:59.dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-71078161242234768042015-10-08T03:59:25.630-06:002015-10-08T03:59:25.630-06:005:37, I feel the same way. My undergrad instituti...5:37, I feel the same way. My undergrad institution provided a good education at a good price. Professors were engaged, the campus was practical, I had the resources I needed and opportunities to succeed. A fair deal for everyone concerned.<br /><br />My law school was the opposite; a shitty and useless education for a medical school price. Fake prestige everywhere, like one of those suburban housewives flaunting her "wealth" and "class" by driving a new Suburban with silver trim and carrying the cheapest designer handbag with those fucking logos all over it.<br /><br />Those with true prestige and class don't need to flaunt it by endlessly ramming how amazing and prestigious they are. My undergrad didn't bang on about its prestigious top class faculty. They were just good at their jobs, and that's all that was needed.<br /><br />And while I'm ranting, I despise those law professors who justify their shit teaching by telling us that we're better off getting Cs because C students make all the money while A students get jobs as professors.<br /><br />Actually, I despite all law professors, every single one of whom knows - deep down - that they are fucking students over. Oh well. Karma does work. We just have to sit tight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-38537702286881968042015-10-07T20:57:45.394-06:002015-10-07T20:57:45.394-06:00By all means share it.
If my school ever calls m...By all means share it. <br /><br />If my school ever calls me for money, the resulting stream of colorful profanity will make a sailor blanch.<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-28679506758144054162015-10-07T19:04:47.450-06:002015-10-07T19:04:47.450-06:00C-K is a scammy dumpster fire.C-K is a scammy dumpster fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-82565334571482025292015-10-07T18:37:32.274-06:002015-10-07T18:37:32.274-06:00Nice. And true.
But if I'm being honest abou...Nice. And true. <br /><br />But if I'm being honest about my undergraduate institution, they did give me a damm fine STEM education, top ranked in 1994, and I have recovered my B.S. education investment in spades. I started in 1995 at 44,000 per year and after that it was up to me how well I did. total cost per year of my undergrad was about $7000/year and well worth it. <br /><br />Not so my law school tuition dollars, which shall follow me to my grave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-82727078457683527042015-10-07T17:36:58.775-06:002015-10-07T17:36:58.775-06:00Actually, if we're on the topic of those irrit...Actually, if we're on the topic of those irritating give-us-money beg-a-thons, anyone mind if I share something from my own "scamma mater" RWU? I've wanted to share something about them ever since I saw this blog's post this past April, the one warning people to "talk to your children about law professors"...X-RWUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-72018391308756517342015-10-07T17:34:15.071-06:002015-10-07T17:34:15.071-06:00How timely, because I just found this article...
h...How timely, because I just found this article...<br />https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/08/21/what-presidents-really-mean-when-they-write-alumni-essay<br />Everyone get a laugh out of this one!X-RWUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-2715936816451645382015-10-07T16:48:59.389-06:002015-10-07T16:48:59.389-06:00You guys need to rewrite my resume for me.You guys need to rewrite my resume for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19555516957149020212015-10-07T08:52:38.793-06:002015-10-07T08:52:38.793-06:00I'm 10:02 Old Guy.
I am not allowed to consid...I'm 10:02 Old Guy.<br /><br />I am not allowed to consider myself an accomplished professional. As Judge Wolfson at my Chicago-Kent orientation sternly reminded me, "only Doctors and Lawyers are professionals." So my dead-end JDadvantage job does not count. I work hard, save money and do quality work but I'm never going to be affluent, not in the way I thought from looking at the blatantly false employment statistics published by C-K in 2004. <br /><br />And C-K does not deserve credit. In fact, any success I have had after law school has been in spite of the law degree, not because of it. I was rejected during the job interview process because of the JD. I was explicitly told they did not want to hire me because "You are a lawyer." <br /><br />My understanding of the RAP and the limits of federal jurisdiction did not help me when I sued my landlord in small claims court. The thousands I spent on required courses like Business Organizations did not help when I was applying to Lowes for an Associate position. About the only classes that have the slightest relevance to real practice were taught by underpaid adjuncts.<br /><br />As far as "access to top faculty." Hmm.... There were the times I went to see professors during office hours to ask questions and was brushed off with contempt because I was not in the top 5%. I recall one professor in particular leaned back in his chair, put his hands on his pendulous gut, and told me that "A students make good law professors, B students make good judges and C students make good money." The implication being that I shouldn't worry. All this said as one side of his mouth curled up in a somewhat obvious sign of contempt. <br /><br />Of course, I did see a lot of "top faculty" walking around their neighborhoods in the tony suburbs north of Chicago. And I do recall doing some housework for another "top faculty member." Does that count?<br /><br />Let's see ... "access to career opportunities...." <br />Do you mean the C-K job board, which is pretty much limited to those in the top 3%, or those with Biglaw experience and political connections? Do you mean the vast network of C-K alumni scratching out a living in the Chicago suburbs, desperately hoping they can make their next rent payment? Yeah, I'll turn to them for "networking opportunities" and referrals. I'm sure they are turning away wealthy and famous clients all the time! I'm sure Micheal Jordan wants a C-K lawyer to help sell his house or to negotiate his Nike deals. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-13331010893262745612015-10-07T06:53:30.712-06:002015-10-07T06:53:30.712-06:00Gifts to the Annual Fund provide our students scho...<i>Gifts to the Annual Fund provide our students scholarships, access to top faculty and career opportunities.</i><br /><br />Provided that the Annual fund provides their students with scholarships to Harvard Law, I'm OK with them claiming "access to top faculty and career opportunities". That is what they meant, right? Guys?Stonemason Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-8649840035335793832015-10-07T06:48:07.538-06:002015-10-07T06:48:07.538-06:00Commiserating with the Mexican janitor about your ...Commiserating with the Mexican janitor about your wages will be described as "analyzed mobile labor conditions and international wage competitiveness." Slipped on spilled maple syrup? "Conducted impromptu, on-site inspections of environmental conditions." Gave a truckdriver a handjob in the handicapped stall (Gotta get food money somehow)? "Used entrepreneurial spirit to create side-business targeting recreational needs of interstate businessmen."Stonemason Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-65153929178160785132015-10-06T20:43:40.943-06:002015-10-06T20:43:40.943-06:00Yes. And serving coffee makes one an "expert ...Yes. And serving coffee makes one an "expert in the marketing of imported commodities".<br /><br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-2810819236209440472015-10-06T20:23:24.654-06:002015-10-06T20:23:24.654-06:00The repetition of "well worth it" reflec...The repetition of "well worth it" reflects the poverty of the author's vocabulary.<br /><br />So, 10:02, are you "an accomplished professional"? If so, does Chicago-Kent deserve the credit?<br /><br />Care to describe the "access to top faculty" and "career opportunities" that you have enjoyed because you went to Chicago-Kent?Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-16967002281464395232015-10-06T17:08:53.193-06:002015-10-06T17:08:53.193-06:00As someone who looks at annual giving solicitation...As someone who looks at annual giving solicitations for a living, that letter is a piece of garbage if I've ever seen one. The trash pit probably lost more than a couple dollars on that one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-57149306963075790722015-10-06T12:56:59.162-06:002015-10-06T12:56:59.162-06:00Why did you withhold the identity of the person wh...Why did you withhold the identity of the person who "wrote" this letter? Shills should be held accountable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-68541032650510169092015-10-06T11:02:31.991-06:002015-10-06T11:02:31.991-06:00Below is the text of a solicitation e-mail I once ...Below is the text of a solicitation e-mail I once got from my Toilet:<br /><br />Chicago-Kent is well worth it, [your name here].<br />At Chicago-Kent, you transformed from an eager applicant, to a hardworking student, to an accomplished professional. Chicago-Kent prepared you.<br />Your time at Chicago-Kent was well worth it.<br />While you attended Chicago-Kent, our committed faculty challenged you each day. Law school may have seemed overwhelming at times, but your effort and ambition pushed you to succeed.<br />It was well worth it.<br />Your legal education was enhanced by the financial commitment of Chicago-Kent alumni who gave to the Annual Fund. Gifts to the Annual Fund provide our students scholarships, access to top faculty and career opportunities.<br />Giving back is well worth it.<br />Make a gift today. [insert name here], it's well worth it.<br /><br />I think someone had to be taking the piss, as the Brits say. "Well worth it" is repeated at least 4 or 5 times. Had to have been an angry underemployed law school grad writing that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-59751983839294348072015-10-06T09:25:32.312-06:002015-10-06T09:25:32.312-06:00When was the last time that Valpo sent even one &q...<i>When was the last time that Valpo sent even one "really excellent lawyer" out into the world?</i><br /><br />I recall hearing about exactly one successful Valpo grad. He graduated top of the class and got a job at a Chicago BigLaw outfit. The only reason I know of him is that there is a divorce case concerning him. See, he was supported through law school by his wife, who I believe paid his living expenses and tuition. The moment he started work at the firm, he dropped her like a sack of dogshit. Hence the divorce case. Really excellent people.<br /><br /><br /><i>"But we also face some challenges: How to attract top students."</i><br /><br />Yeah, and I face the challenge of choosing which Victoria's Secret model I need to kick out of bed each morning. "Adriana, you have to go. There's just not enough room here for all of us." It's not fun, but these kind of choices must be made,<br /><br />More seriously, the only way Valpo can "attract" top law students is by offering to pay their Yale Law tuition.Stonemason Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-46658395239762367062015-10-06T09:09:20.833-06:002015-10-06T09:09:20.833-06:00OG, they have some restaurants in Canada (And a ha...OG, they have some restaurants in Canada (And a handful in the Middle East). They have stores in more than one nation; that is enough for them to call themselves "international". Additionally, it is probably "international" enough so that law schools can claim that a graduate working as an IHOP server is working in "international business".Stonemason Esq.noreply@blogger.com