tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post5948240210786009837..comments2024-03-28T07:16:35.912-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Where even lemmings fear to leap: Which ABA-accredited law schools have experienced the steepest decline in applications, 2011-2014. Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-17741715419139086502015-03-31T08:35:02.416-06:002015-03-31T08:35:02.416-06:00@10:00
I graduated top 5 percent from a school ra...@10:00<br /><br />I graduated top 5 percent from a school ranked higher than pace, 75 percent scholarship, and a CS background. I barely got a job as a patent lawyer in a small boutique where my job is far from certain and lateraling is close to impossible.<br /><br />The over saturation in the profession is staggering. Also, the tech field, although better than law, is not the paradise it is made out to be. Outsourcing and globalization produce short careers...<br /><br />People have to understand that higher education is not the ticket it used to be. This is particularly true for law school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-13464934152091095762015-03-31T00:41:30.631-06:002015-03-31T00:41:30.631-06:00People are finally fucking getting it.People are finally fucking getting it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-10879099684824797662015-03-30T23:00:54.007-06:002015-03-30T23:00:54.007-06:00Assuming his resume is that good, he must have got...Assuming his resume is that good, he must have gotten much worse than a 150. More like something in the 140s. I got a 151 on the LSAT, and I got into American, Temple, Case Western, Cardozo and Fordham.<br /><br />Also, regarding the tech field being lucrative, you sure it's lucrative for everyone? LAW can be quite lucrative for some too, and many people have the illusion we lawyers are all gainfully employed somewhere. <br /><br />This guy may have personality issues. Be careful. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80628465541966086102015-03-30T22:35:34.744-06:002015-03-30T22:35:34.744-06:00Or perhaps he lived near that toilet and for some ...Or perhaps he lived near that toilet and for some personal reason couldn't easily go elsewhere. Unlikely though that may seem in the suburbs of New York City, it's not unusual for older people who have jobs or families or other commitments.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-28003315455276099092015-03-30T22:24:20.133-06:002015-03-30T22:24:20.133-06:00@8:51:
Five years ago called, and it wants its fa...@8:51:<br /><br />Five years ago called, and it wants its fashionable debunked refutation of "scamblogs" back.<br /><br />Among other problems with your post is the idea that a typical law graduate has "valuable skills." Almost none of the actually have that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-42548992038016803612015-03-30T22:16:20.857-06:002015-03-30T22:16:20.857-06:00Either an LSAT in the 150s or a massive scholarshi...Either an LSAT in the 150s or a massive scholarship at a time when higher schools weren't giving them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-76766625923047792492015-03-30T21:51:26.320-06:002015-03-30T21:51:26.320-06:00If you're going to bust out as pretentious a w...If you're going to bust out as pretentious a word as "halcyon", you should bother to spell it right.<br /><br />Not saying the law schools are blameless by any stretch of the imagination, but all of this whining on "scam" blogs just confirms my suspicion that my generation has a massive entitlement problem. <br /><br />I paid the tuition. I graduated. I (maybe) passed the bar. I deserve a job. Gimme.<br /><br />Get over it and go find a way to market yourself. You have valuable skills. Figure out how to turn them into a living.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-38435209142531427112015-03-30T21:23:28.335-06:002015-03-30T21:23:28.335-06:00Yes: people are applying to fewer schools, even th...Yes: people are applying to fewer schools, even though for this cycle no fewer than 74 law schools have dropped their application fees. Just a few years ago, only a handful of schools—mostly Cooleyesque toilets—didn't charge an application fee.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26759802401645038602015-03-30T19:26:41.344-06:002015-03-30T19:26:41.344-06:00How the hell did that guy even end up in Pace in t...How the hell did that guy even end up in Pace in the first place?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86631986824336029272015-03-30T17:42:34.589-06:002015-03-30T17:42:34.589-06:00But the interesting statistic is that the number o...But the interesting statistic is that the number of applications has fallen greater than the number of applicants. I would interpret this to indicate that applicants are getting more savvy and won't waste their time applying to many of the schools on the above list. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89292045776496441702015-03-30T16:11:57.863-06:002015-03-30T16:11:57.863-06:00I just received a resume from a non-trad law grad ...I just received a resume from a non-trad law grad who graduated as the no. 5 ranked student at Pace Law. Not top 5% but actually the top 5 students in his class. The position he applied for: paralegal. I was fascinated by his background. Ivy league undergrad and worked in the tech field. I wonder what went wrong with him. I know people in the tech field who earn six figures and have flexible schedules. What would possess someone to leave a lucrative field to chase a dream full of misery and iron pyrite? I felt like calling the guy in for an interview just to gauge his character but I will spare him the waste of time. I wonder if there was ever a time when a top 5 student from Pace would succeed in the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-35664386470215555882015-03-30T12:36:33.497-06:002015-03-30T12:36:33.497-06:00Regarding PA schools in general, Villanova, Drexel...Regarding PA schools in general, Villanova, Drexel, Duquesne and Widener (not technically in PA) should all just close down, and the two Penn State law schools should merge.<br /><br />I hear Penn State actually DOES want to merge its two law schools, but there is opposition from the town where one of them is located. Evidently, the locals profit from a law school being there too.<br /><br />The other big law school in the Philly area is Rutgers Camden, which like Widener is not technically in PA but might as well be. I hear there is talk of Rutgers merging its two law schools. Anyone know about this? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-27256263652826694882015-03-29T22:03:09.277-06:002015-03-29T22:03:09.277-06:00The reason for this is obvious. Especially under f...The reason for this is obvious. Especially under former dean Nora Demleitner, Hofstra was successful in attracting deluded students who thought they were destined for Biglaw or federal clerkships. Touro has always attracted bottom-of-the-barrel applicants with no illusions about their own prospects. Ironically, in today's admissions market, even the bottom-tier applicants won't touch Hofstra. A closure appears inevitable at this point, or at best a face-saving merger with Touro, Pace, or NYLS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-91065494829846410872015-03-29T21:56:26.293-06:002015-03-29T21:56:26.293-06:00In a futile effort to halt its 52.7% decline in ap...In a futile effort to halt its 52.7% decline in applications, Seton Hall allowed one of its professors to publish a fatally flawed, poorly conceived, and highly illogical piece of "economic research." Subsequently, in a desperate struggle to defend its highly controversial conclusions, Brian Leiter has been forced to concede that much of the online criticism of his own vile and predatory activities is actually not defamatory! I think this illustrates the general principle that when dealing with morally depraved individuals such as Leiter or the scamdeans, a focus on facts and logic can often neutralize even their most histrionic tactics. <br /><br />To those like Dybbuk who have provided accurate evidence, careful reasoning, and top-tier scholarship in refutation of the law school scam, I offer my profound thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45565036316659238012015-03-29T05:59:04.796-06:002015-03-29T05:59:04.796-06:00It looks like apps at the U of Denver have held up...It looks like apps at the U of Denver have held up very well. They're down by less than 45%, which is truly remarkable. That's because Denver is a hotbed of intellectual excitement these days. They even had a student who published an article and got hired at a law firm!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-29476738449894262922015-03-28T12:26:26.060-06:002015-03-28T12:26:26.060-06:00Thanks Anon @3:04!
I know what it's like becau...Thanks Anon @3:04!<br />I know what it's like because I lived through it myself. At least the poor deluded lemming who asked me for help did not have to support a family, like I had to.<br />As I realized during 3L that I had no job prospects, my drinking increased. As I sunk into depression, I went to the law school counselor, who blithely told me that my feelings were normal and to read a book about cognitive behavioral therapy. Little did he know that all I needed was a job. <br /><br />I am only now starting to climb out of the hole that was the last 8 years. <br /><br />This is why I am compelled to post on this site - in the hope that a few people will read my story and maybe rethink going to law school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-81771641726618578612015-03-28T12:18:34.707-06:002015-03-28T12:18:34.707-06:00MCGEORGE DOMINATES!!!MCGEORGE DOMINATES!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23449044564192078992015-03-28T09:33:20.138-06:002015-03-28T09:33:20.138-06:00This is a sad post. But one that speaks truth, no ...This is a sad post. But one that speaks truth, no only for law graduates but many diverse-filed graduates...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-40459370038402804652015-03-28T01:28:37.660-06:002015-03-28T01:28:37.660-06:00Maybe Philadelphia or Pittsburgh you'll need t...Maybe Philadelphia or Pittsburgh you'll need top credentials but the rest of the state is a corrupt shithole notorious for nepotism. Government positions are all about who you know and PI firms are usually small boutiques known for hiring family or anyone who has the ability to bring in business. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-54287822892980017902015-03-27T20:41:07.201-06:002015-03-27T20:41:07.201-06:00The strange thing about Illinois is that, while ap...The strange thing about Illinois is that, while applications have cratered, the falls in class size, GPA and LSAT are not that bad. Still, going to IL Law is a game of roulette - and if you want to gamble in Illinois, go to Rivers in Des Plaines. You lose a few hundred bucks before you realize your folly and go home. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-81432092227873382552015-03-27T18:15:27.406-06:002015-03-27T18:15:27.406-06:00I agree with 10:28. About three months ago, I opin...I agree with 10:28. About three months ago, I opined in an article here that only 13 law schools are worth considering (and even that is an exaggeration). All other law schools are toilets. Thus even most of the so-called "first tier" is really in the fourth tier.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26874161990651868782015-03-27T18:03:52.245-06:002015-03-27T18:03:52.245-06:00Yes, a number of skules now admit 80% or more of t...Yes, a number of skules now admit 80% or more of their applicants. But they're approaching the limit. They cannot raise admission beyond 100%. And many people who are admitted will not enroll. <br /><br />Admissions are near their theoretical maximum, yet applications and enrollment are both plummeting, and seats are already going unfilled. That spells bad news for many a law skule.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-56688757567337468352015-03-27T17:40:29.638-06:002015-03-27T17:40:29.638-06:00Third Tier Drake is treading some brown toilet wat...Third Tier Drake is treading some brown toilet water.Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-48395227332694718922015-03-27T16:13:10.863-06:002015-03-27T16:13:10.863-06:00Most toilets are simply accepting students that wi...Most toilets are simply accepting students that will never pass the bar. This scam is going to collapse slowly and eventually the federal government will get involved. I predict July 2018 bar passage will be the worst ever by far and many lawsuits accusing law schools of fraud will be filed. My toilet, WNE, accepted 82% of applicants and the law market here in CT is beyond awful. At least fifty law schools need to be shut down by executive order or by Congress immediately. You could probably shut down all law schools for ten years and still have a massive surplus of attorneys in this country. It's a mess and not stopping anytime soon. Student loan debt is now $1.3 trillion and growing like a tumor out of control. I have $120k in debt deferred with no way of paying any of it back. My life is destroyed unless I get a job qualifying me for PSLF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-63271850033571641912015-03-27T16:04:20.948-06:002015-03-27T16:04:20.948-06:00The above comment should be used as a guest post o...The above comment should be used as a guest post on this site. Sums up the experience of recent grads perfectly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com