tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post1639692003885980904..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Why I am now a Law School ShillUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-70453197650133776612013-07-17T19:00:54.720-06:002013-07-17T19:00:54.720-06:00Speaking of risk, here's where interest rates ...Speaking of risk, here's where interest rates are headed (and it ain't down): <br /><br /><br />Imagine that? Asking politicians to reform their spending policies?<br /><br />That’s more than a firing offense. That’s fighting words.<br /><br />It’s possible of course that I am reading too much into this. It’s possible that it’s all just a big coincidence. It’s possible that Obama, the Brat, who has no sensitivities to anyone but himself, just treated Bernanke the way he treats all the menials he is done with.<br /><br />But it’s far more likely that central banks finally realize, like the rest of us have, that there is no way one can work with Barack Obama.<br /><br />Imagine that: Obama's "the problem." Glad they figured that out.<br /><br /><br />http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2013/07/17/what-ben-bernanke-wont-say-its-over-obama-n1642430/page/fullAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-22716438607781901892013-07-17T18:02:42.800-06:002013-07-17T18:02:42.800-06:00Re the travesty that is/was the TRIAL:
http://ww...Re the travesty that is/was the TRIAL:<br /><br /><br />http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/07/fake_outrage_in_the_martinzimmerman_case.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-148632948578862082013-07-17T17:47:09.953-06:002013-07-17T17:47:09.953-06:00"this is one of the reasons I think that the ..."this is one of the reasons I think that the voting age should be raised. many 18-twenty something olds are clueless as evidence by the landslide Obama had over Romney in that age group."<br /><br /><br />Absolutely right. No one under 45 should be able to vote!<br /><br />Seriously, even 25 is probably too young. 30 would be fair. Maybe an exception for anyone with military service.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-12532825153497382262013-07-17T17:43:50.266-06:002013-07-17T17:43:50.266-06:00The problem with TLS is that it is THE pro-law sch...The problem with TLS is that it is THE pro-law school site. Mr. Infinity, squared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-14878469954218621172013-07-17T17:42:01.071-06:002013-07-17T17:42:01.071-06:00Listening to the other side (especially when meant...Listening to the other side (especially when meant as satire) is pretty enlightening, and in this case, entertaining. Would you be threatened if a dean got wild and posted a defense here? In the unlikely event that that would ever happen, I bet WE would be the assholes.<br /><br />By the way, only twerps say things like "Thanks in advance." <br /><br />How about just "Thank you" or wait until they actually do something, then take the time out of your hectic schedule to say "Thank you." Or is that too hard?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-9817646443438197112013-07-17T17:35:12.433-06:002013-07-17T17:35:12.433-06:00"But don't forgot what a powerful influen..."But don't forgot what a powerful influence parents are, on younger students at least. And most parents across America would be absolutely delighted if their kids chose to go to law school, any law school,"<br /><br /><br />Excellent point! If we could reach PARENTS, we might have much better success. <br /><br />Most parents actually have enough on the ball, and understand just how dangerous this is. Maybe they would listen. They're probably more inclined to actually read the books, for sure, and maybe that would be enough to get them to believe what OTLSS/ILSS has been saying all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-87384698435668003552013-07-17T17:32:18.433-06:002013-07-17T17:32:18.433-06:00Being an astronaut IS cool, and going to astronaut...Being an astronaut IS cool, and going to astronaut school could be cool.<br /><br />But we're not flying shuttles anymore, or doing much of anything worthwhile for astronauts.<br /><br />So why not do something else? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-6712748716071718162013-07-17T17:30:11.139-06:002013-07-17T17:30:11.139-06:00I thought he ( @12:40) was talking about abstainin...I thought he ( @12:40) was talking about abstaining from posting useless comments like, say, his.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-12020605610823912552013-07-17T17:28:43.640-06:002013-07-17T17:28:43.640-06:00How about getting off the weed, getting motivated,...How about getting off the weed, getting motivated, and actually doing something with your life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-42493779453363926342013-07-17T17:27:47.214-06:002013-07-17T17:27:47.214-06:00"of course obamacare will follow the same mod..."of course obamacare will follow the same model. forcing insurance carriers to cover anyone who has a pre existing condition is a recipe for disaster for insurance companies and those that pay premiums when they are healthy"<br /><br /><br />Yep. We're heading off a cliff that will make the recession look like a few ants at a picnic. The "cliff" isn't Obamacare, by the way, but it's part of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-82844037569364203722013-07-17T17:25:28.295-06:002013-07-17T17:25:28.295-06:00What they're hoping, and what the ABA might en...What they're hoping, and what the ABA might engineer, is a quiet shutting of the most marginal non-URM-heavy, non-political-heavy T3-4 schools. <br /><br />If they can close just 5% of the schools, they think they'll be safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-35944627785991832492013-07-17T17:22:45.159-06:002013-07-17T17:22:45.159-06:00The advice given on the TLS "choosing a law s...The advice given on the TLS "choosing a law school" forum is usually pretty good - basically steer clear of non-elite schools unless you are getting a free ride. As a practical matter, TLS probably reaches a lot more prospective law students than the scam blogs. Its also worth checking out the desperation stories in the "veil of tears" forum. Its a crystal ball where 0L's can see their future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-36615038296158722782013-07-17T17:22:15.108-06:002013-07-17T17:22:15.108-06:00"Doesn't that incentivize the schools to ..."Doesn't that incentivize the schools to raise their tuition at the expense of (or at best, grossly indifferent to) the hapless people who will have to pay it back? It sounds like it's placing the cart before the horse."<br /><br /><br />By Joe, he's got it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-21566236854571961172013-07-17T17:20:01.923-06:002013-07-17T17:20:01.923-06:00"The true beneficiaries of the loans appear t..."The true beneficiaries of the loans appear to be -- disproportionately-- private, for-profit law schools. The funds pass through the students' hands and right into the coffers of Law School, Inc."<br /><br />@8:26, are you talking about PRIVATE law schools? There are very few FOR-PROFIT law schools (any ABA accredited ones?!), and they really aren't part of the picture.<br /><br />PUBLIC law schools have been more reasonably priced, mostly because taxpayers subsidize the insane expenses of overpaid faculty and gross waste. Most public college students pay way less than half of what their education costs.<br /><br />State schools did NOT "keep spending in line"; it's just that their costs were more hidden, not to mention that they don't pay for the land or buildings. At least for-profit schools DO, and in fact pay taxes too.<br /><br />And why are you blaming lenders? Congress cut them out, creating an even worse private-lending sinkhole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-7281197811870248082013-07-17T17:15:08.267-06:002013-07-17T17:15:08.267-06:00And what are YOU doing, 1:45?
Are you a blogger? ...And what are YOU doing, 1:45?<br /><br />Are you a blogger? If so, where's YOUR post?<br /><br />If not, STFU comes to mind.<br /><br />As to the prime season, you're absolutely right, but if a student can't scroll through a week's worth of posts, well, they deserve to go to law school.<br /><br />Besides, what's the issue. There are dozens of posts with literally hundreds of comments, and four books that any half-alive student can read. Our job is to point them in the right direction. If they can't pick it up from there . . . let em go. Honestly, if they're not willing to read the last month's worth of posts here or on the other sites and pay three bucks and read Con Law or any of the other books, are they really worth saving? Maybe I'm going to join the OP and become a shill too. Jesus, is everyone this stupid and lazy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-27302913427645555132013-07-17T17:04:09.402-06:002013-07-17T17:04:09.402-06:00How about more law schools? For free!
Rep. Charl...How about more law schools? For free!<br /><br />Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) says, “we shouldn’t even be charging young people to go to school.” <br /><br />http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-rangel-s-solution-student-loans-free-college#sthash.0vicb5xz.dpufAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-60010618088106851922013-07-17T16:01:08.782-06:002013-07-17T16:01:08.782-06:00To get a good insight into what motivates people t...To get a good insight into what motivates people to apply for law school, toplawschool is often useful. Here's a good recent post:<br /><br />http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=213255<br /><br />" graduated from my undergraduate studies 3 years ago and I currently work for a Fortune 20 company as a financial analyst. For a while I have always wanted to go to law school and become some sort of a business attorney/corporate attorney dealing with restructuring, mergers, etc. ..... "<br /><br />So many other posts like this. People in decent jobs who have a fantasy in their heads of what law will be look. Wealth, security and completely non-boring and exciting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-37774259388536519882013-07-17T15:52:14.310-06:002013-07-17T15:52:14.310-06:00"The scary part is that many college-age vote..."The scary part is that many college-age voters think that easy availability of student loans is a good thing."<br /><br /><br />this is one of the reasons I think that the voting age should be raised. many 18-twenty something olds are clueless as evidence by the landslide Obama had over Romney in that age group. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-57747926107135474202013-07-17T14:45:32.902-06:002013-07-17T14:45:32.902-06:00Ok this is getting pathetic. I know it's summe...Ok this is getting pathetic. I know it's summer but we have 10 bloggers and can't even get two new posts per week right now?<br /><br />Get a grip. The bloggers here need to step up. This is prime "should I go to law school?" season, where many grads could do serious damage to enrolments if they backed out now. Yet we're being given shit about horses and how law school is not a scam?<br /><br />This is BS. Write daily posts about how it's not too late to back out. Write daily posts about the scam and the debt and the misery of practicing law. But this artistic crap needs to stop.<br /><br />Focus on the basics. End of story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-36197854955845973042013-07-17T09:26:13.920-06:002013-07-17T09:26:13.920-06:00The true beneficiaries of the loans appear to be -...The true beneficiaries of the loans appear to be -- disproportionately-- private, for-profit law schools. The funds pass through the students' hands and right into the coffers of Law School, Inc.<br /><br />I suspect college-age voters don't give the matter much thought and would actually be (strongly) against such loans if the matter was squarely put to them on an up-down vote. They know that too much dessert gets them looking like their Commercial Transactions prof. The level at which these federal policy decisions are made defies voter scrutiny. Politicians piously announce they are in favor of "education" (and education for the less than well-to-do, to boot) and the lenders get what appear to be super-secruitized loans. What's not to like? <br /><br />State-run schools historically did better job a keeping costs in line --and in spreading the costs of the school out over the populace-- without any of this loan malarkey.<br /><br />As Dean Wormer said in Animal House: "Fat, dumb and Overleveraged is no way to go through life, son."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-64404926754388930912013-07-17T08:05:37.159-06:002013-07-17T08:05:37.159-06:00I think it varies from one school to the next. So...I think it varies from one school to the next. Some have shed faculty/staff, others have lowered standards, lowered enrollment, cut tuition, upped scholarships, or some combination of the above. I would think that anything other than cutting faculty/staff is going to impact the bottom line adversely. Obviously, lower enrollment, lower tuition, and upped scholarships will do this. Lowering standards will do so in the long run, even though enrollment may remain stable, because lower standards = lower bar passage rates (which are already pathetic at the lower ranked schools) = loss of accreditation.BamBamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-54137694604913235832013-07-17T07:36:23.061-06:002013-07-17T07:36:23.061-06:00@ 10:13
Bingo. We as a society have decided that...@ 10:13<br /><br />Bingo. We as a society have decided that everyone should get "a job" and "a salary" and we actually tend to villainize those who think outside the box and get rich off their ideas. What we seem to forget is that innovation is the only way to create real economic growth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-72293033010448884912013-07-17T07:22:06.976-06:002013-07-17T07:22:06.976-06:008:37 and 10:06 hit the nail on the head.
The scar...8:37 and 10:06 hit the nail on the head.<br /><br />The scary part is that many college-age voters think that easy availability of student loans is a good thing. Any politician trying to cut the availability of limitless student loans is like a parent denying their child a second helping of dessert--it's good for them but they won't be thankful for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-30577553490654159252013-07-17T06:16:10.762-06:002013-07-17T06:16:10.762-06:00Go to Law School Transparency and see for yourself...Go to Law School Transparency and see for yourself. Most non-elite schools have reduced admission standards since 2010 (both LSAT and GPA). At the same time, most of these schools have decreased enrollment - sometimes dramatically so. So you have smaller incomming classes with worse qualifications. Also keep in mind that many of these schools have had to up their scholarship money to keep enrollment from completely falling off a cliff. If these trends continue, as I suspect they will, some of these schools will be forced to shut down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3247596772012688162013-07-17T05:06:43.757-06:002013-07-17T05:06:43.757-06:00"The maximum loan amount is the student’s cos..."The maximum loan amount is the student’s cost of attendance (determined by the school) minus any other financial aid received."<br /><br />Holy shit! That IS taken straight from their website. <br /><br />Isn't this like lab monkey experiments where they make coke available to the lab monkey as a positive reinforcement each time he spins on the wheel? Pretty soon, the monkey's going nuts on the wheel and the wheel's bearings are smoking.<br /><br />Doesn't that incentivize the schools to raise their tuition at the expense of (or at best, grossly indifferent to) the hapless people who will have to pay it back? It sounds like it's placing the cart before the horse.<br /><br />Maybe this sheds some light on why some older lawyers are clueless about today's situation and say irritating shit about needing to network harder. I sometimes wondered why there was such incredible hostility towards deans and law schools... could Pennoyer v. Neff actually have gotten any more arcane? <br /><br />Follow the money.<br /><br />Back then, there were loans. But they were limited. Schools were somewhat constrained in what they could charge in tuition because, for most students, the resources were limited. Seems like it was based on income.<br /><br />Federal backing has made that all change. Tuition has now reached levels that are insane and out of all proportion to both product value and to the market's history. <br /> <br />And at the end of the day, it's nondischargeable personal debt... the student personally gets stuck with it.<br /><br />And the whole thing is ostensibly done in the name of giving students access to opportunities. <br /><br />"Follow the money!" should be the byword of Scamblogging. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com