tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post156654432758926193..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Pressing Towards the GOAL : The "Prize" of Legal Process OutsourcingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-47799240065344014092014-03-10T01:41:11.610-06:002014-03-10T01:41:11.610-06:00UAW employees had their pay halved and health care...UAW employees had their pay halved and health care privatized with a lump sum. This is a class issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45176079131530066182014-03-07T08:52:51.776-07:002014-03-07T08:52:51.776-07:00Looks like this website is having problems. You s...Looks like this website is having problems. You seem to be down to one post per week. I have e-mailed you twice offering to help, but no one ever bothered to respond. This is important work, and it needs to be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-59456877279246540462014-03-06T15:17:20.992-07:002014-03-06T15:17:20.992-07:00I'm beginning to think that most high school k...I'm beginning to think that most high school kids should only undertake post-secondary education if they can avoid debt. Education debt is toxic and should be avoided like smallpox. But it would be a brave high school student who can resist the siren call of college, when the pressure to go from all sides is overwhelming.<br /><br />A part time associates degree from community college might be the way to go for many kids, but unfortunately I wonder if many community colleges are now ramping their tuition to the stars to partake of that sweet, sweet federal loan money pie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-29349555690421755712014-03-05T16:26:37.369-07:002014-03-05T16:26:37.369-07:00And this on the high end, lol.And this on the high end, lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-44009005109262355552014-03-05T15:00:04.132-07:002014-03-05T15:00:04.132-07:00Here is a fact on todays lawyers market place:
Aft...Here is a fact on todays lawyers market place:<br />After 4 years of UG + 3 years of law school + 100K of debt + 3-4 years of experience you can apply to Craigslist 3/5/14 New York ($40/hour)<br />Personal Injury Attorney-Immediate Staffing (Rosdale, NY) <br />compensation: $40/hr<br />contract job<br /><br />Our law firm client located in Rosedale NY is seeking an experienced Personal Injury Contract Attorney to assist in a very busy practice. <br /> Requirements are:<br /> * minimum of 3-4 years experience in personal injury law<br /> *experience with writing and assembling motions<br /> * Must be willing to 40 hours per week <br /> * admitted in NY State<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86226663707954089842014-03-05T13:00:53.483-07:002014-03-05T13:00:53.483-07:00http://www.businessinsider.com/los-angeles-area-sc...http://www.businessinsider.com/los-angeles-area-school-superintendents-ridiculous-salary-2014-3<br /><br />You could try and become a big law partner, with all the pain and risk that that entails, or you could try to do the above. I'm just saying, when comparing apples to apples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34974858936530339772014-03-05T04:33:05.145-07:002014-03-05T04:33:05.145-07:00yup, mass immigration and higher education are two...yup, mass immigration and higher education are two of the biggest scams of the overclass in americaPropagandistHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032093796955347846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23347425644094010282014-03-04T12:00:27.090-07:002014-03-04T12:00:27.090-07:00Who let the troll in?
Sounds like some lib. profe...Who let the troll in?<br /><br />Sounds like some lib. professor bullshit here, par excellence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34561820329727563902014-03-04T09:14:36.323-07:002014-03-04T09:14:36.323-07:00Regarding the autoworkers, apologies if I was not ...Regarding the autoworkers, apologies if I was not clear, I meant exactly what you indicated: they are subject to real economic forces. They don't have real political protection. They have fake political protection because, in the end, they will be outsourced.<br /><br />With respect to the big city protected municipal employee, he/she will never be outsourced. Moreover, he/she will never lose out on government gravy. If NYC, Boston, LA, Chicago, etc go bankrupt, the country is finished completely, even for the rich. So no matter what any article says, that gravy train will go on so long as the US exists in its present form. Once that gravy ends, everyone is fucked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3536608803386512772014-03-04T08:50:17.774-07:002014-03-04T08:50:17.774-07:00"I'll ridicule your arugment that the aut..."I'll ridicule your arugment that the autoworker is politically unprotected. GM got bailed out by the federal government in a sweetheart deal to the auto union in pay back for their support of certain politicians and one political party in particular. "<br /><br />If GM had gone into bankruptcy, the effects would have been catastrophic. Note that Toyota and Nissan backed the bailout.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-39987492694514214292014-03-04T07:51:49.911-07:002014-03-04T07:51:49.911-07:005:55, 1:56 here. Believe it or not, there are othe...5:55, 1:56 here. Believe it or not, there are other people besides yourself who have been scammed by the law schools. As I said, law enforcement is not a good option for most of them, but for a few, it could be a viable choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-18543651390639699922014-03-04T07:41:43.564-07:002014-03-04T07:41:43.564-07:00Further to 4:23's point, I am reminded of an e...Further to 4:23's point, I am reminded of an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Serious trekkies forgive me for incorrect details. The Enterprise responds to a call from one of two neighboring planets, we'll call them A and B. A's one remaining spaceship has broken down and they need help fixing it. The ship is critical because the people of A have long all had a disease that they believe is fatal if they don't take a drug that can only be produced on Planet B. They need the ship to go over to B to buy the drug and bring it back. Planet A was more technologically advanced than Planet B and far more prosperous, but is now impoverished as all of its wealth goes to Planet B, which can dictate the price of the life saving drug. The people of Planet B live like kings. Eventually the Enterprise's doctor determines that the people of Planet A aren't sick at all. They used to be but got addicted to the drug and the symptoms they feel when they stop getting it are actually just withdrawal symptoms. The Enterprise folks say only that they cannot violate "the prime directive" to not interfere in other civilizations and they leave without fixing the ship. But of course they know that the Planet A folks will soon discover that they didn't die and resume their prosperous lifestyle while the folks on Planet B will be so far up shit creek they might never come back down.<br /><br />That's where we're at with higher education. The people who sell it say you are lost without it and they have a monopoly, can set their prices as they please and are going rich off the consumers. Slowly but steadily those of us on Planet A are waking up to the fact that we might not really need it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-17421556501494976932014-03-04T07:02:11.201-07:002014-03-04T07:02:11.201-07:00180.180.dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-15163473057689369872014-03-04T05:23:24.023-07:002014-03-04T05:23:24.023-07:00"The answer is no more education after high s..."The answer is no more education after high school - unless it will be completely 100% free. No more Debt Slaves. The problems will then begin to take care of themselves as far as individuals are concerned.<br /><br />The way to prosperity is no longer education. Don't fall into the Trap."<br /><br />Amen, 1:14. Here's the back story. My father grew up in a Minnesota county seat of about 4,000 people in the 1920's and 30's. He says that you could count on your fingers and toes the people in that town who had a four year college degree. Doctors, dentists, judges, lawyers, the superintendent of schools, the Catholic pastor and my grandfather, who was the county highway engineer and had a B.S. in civil engineering - the only engineering degree in the county. Accountants had two year degrees as did teachers, principals and Protestant ministers. Bank presidents were high school graduates who had worked their way up from teller. And you know what? The books balanced, the banks didn't fail, the kids got much better educations than they do now and the Lutherans fully understood the concept of redemption by grace. Somewhere, probably starting with the GI Bill, we let the education racket tell us you needed to know what they were teaching to get anywhere, even though the world worked perfectly well when very few people went to college. Once the pigs got used to the cash flow they got greedy and started raising the prices to where they are now, at an unsustainable level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23429612923177019132014-03-04T05:05:24.966-07:002014-03-04T05:05:24.966-07:00There's also the immigration bill approved by ...There's also the immigration bill approved by the Senate, which will bring in about 3 million legal immigrants per year (poor and third world mostly). Immigration is obviously a source of income inequality, both by lowering wages and actually increasing the # of poor people. Much of the "rising inequality over the past few decades" story is actually due to immigration -- the importation of poor people.<br /><br />The bill also changes the procedural law for deportation hearings, increasing burden of proof on the government. That makes is harder to deport people.<br /><br />If this bill happens, legal immigration is going to double from its present 1.5 million per year to 3. Currently, Americans have about 4.1 million children per year. If "immigration reform happens," there will be 7.1 million new Americans every year and 42% of all population growth will be foreigners arriving here.<br /><br />Every decade, America will bring in 30 million people, mostly poor, some very very poor. You will not recognize America after a few years as it becomes a third world country very quickly. <br /><br />Farmers gets their cabbage pickers, big business gets a flood of H1B cheap labor, a certain political party gets their permanent majority status, and America gets turned into an overpopulated 3rd world slum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-78530090988197809622014-03-04T02:47:30.227-07:002014-03-04T02:47:30.227-07:00Yes 12.38, I get the impression that in earlier de...Yes 12.38, I get the impression that in earlier decades America may have been able to support a higher number of working lawyers per capita than now. But demand has decreased as many mundane transactions that used to require a lawyer can now be completed without one.<br /><br />But we should also ask whichever branch of the federal government oversees Stafford and GradPLUS loans why they will loan virtually unlimited amounts to almost anyone who can get into an ABA law school. The legal profession is not lucrative enough to justify this extravagant lending. Most of their borrowers will default, take decades to repay or have to go on PAYE/IBR.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-18211090791866031412014-03-04T02:42:31.499-07:002014-03-04T02:42:31.499-07:00If there weren't links in the original article...If there weren't links in the original article, I would have thought it was a parody. It's that crazy and insane. Time for a revolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-52829523493621097172014-03-03T19:17:49.389-07:002014-03-03T19:17:49.389-07:00First of all, I'm not advocating law as a care...First of all, I'm not advocating law as a career (quite the contrary), so there's nothing to discuss on that point.<br /><br />Second, your strategy would have a chance for people who 1) were young enough and otherwise eligible for those jobs; 2) had a few thousand dollars; 3) could afford to gamble that money on the possibility of a job. Back when I satisfied criterion (1), I did not satisfy criterion (2), to say nothing of (3).<br /><br />I grew up in a small town, hours from any major city. The idea of becoming a police officer in some distant city did not even occur to me. I had no meaningful guidance on professional options (only much later did I find out that some people got this sort of service at school), and in any event no one would have suggested anything but university to me. There was simply zero chance of my becoming a police officer in New York.<br /><br />Why not do it now? For one thing, they won't even consider a person of my age. End of that goddamn discussion.<br /><br />Back in the 1980s, when I came out of high school, STEM looked awfully attractive. I went into it and did well—while it lasted. <br /><br />So now STEM is dead, and I'm too old to become a police officer, a firefighter, a garbage collector, a tradesman—or a lawyer. What the hell am I supposed to do?<br /><br />As I said above, your suggestion may work for a few individuals, but it won't work for people in general. That emphatically does not mean that they should go into law; again, the number of law students is about seven or eight times what it should be. But they may not have good prospects in <i>any</i> line of work. The idea that they can all go off and become pigs in Brooklyn or truck drivers in western North Dakota is simply absurd.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-44186592958667688322014-03-03T18:55:22.860-07:002014-03-03T18:55:22.860-07:00I'm the whiny 40-something who said that it wo...I'm the whiny 40-something who said that it wouldn't work for himself, since he was too old to become a cop. It has nothing to do with predisposition and everything to do with the fact that the door is firmly closed. Someone said to get a job in the NYPD, and I pointed out that the NYPD has a firm policy of not hiring people of my age.<br /><br />If you have any serious suggestions as to what I should do, I'm all ears. In the meantime, don't accuse me of whining.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-76557925385913379162014-03-03T18:50:46.127-07:002014-03-03T18:50:46.127-07:00This:
http://business.time.com/2014/02/26/student...This:<br /><br />http://business.time.com/2014/02/26/student-loans-are-ruining-your-life-now-theyre-ruining-the-economy-too/<br /><br />To the kids reading this: These blogs and all comments are under heavy scrutiny from the Dept. of Justice and Homeland Security etc. <br /><br />For sure, Campos and Tamanaha are problematic in a moral and human sense, and at the very least heroic in the sense that they both do the best job(s) of publicly holding their noses once in a while whilst accepting their publicly funded paychecks, and for that they are a sort of first wave of morally problematic Heroes among the half ass employed (but doing OK in life overall) complainers of the legal profession that buzz around here like angry hornets who are generally discontented and unhappy and old and getting uglier with age.<br /><br />But I forgot, this blog does not champion the causes that it calims it does, and this blog does not accept any disagreement or argument, and OLSS is likely planing a ticker tape parade with C and T on a mickey mouse float, upon which they will roll down the avenue with an independent air as in the Magnificent Ambersons, and break the bank blah. <br /><br />BTW, Campos and Tamanaha did absolutely beat the odds and made it to the top of the crap pile and now want to speak for a collective soul of their peers and fellow scammers, and control all dialogue, and so far they are winning, and when it suits their clothes. <br /><br />But be sure they probably would not have expressed anything without making sure their pensions were vested.<br /><br />Such is the nature of things and in the best of all possible worlds.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-85464563987586467852014-03-03T18:16:03.739-07:002014-03-03T18:16:03.739-07:00I'll ridicule your arugment that the autoworke...I'll ridicule your arugment that the autoworker is politically unprotected. GM got bailed out by the federal government in a sweetheart deal to the auto union in pay back for their support of certain politicians and one political party in particular. <br /><br />Auto unions are just as politically protected as government employee unions, but they actually face economic competition, so their political protection can only go so far as the economic realities of car makers who make better and cheaper cars (and who don't have to deal with unions) eat into their market share.<br /><br />At some point, economic reality will also (or has already started to) hit government employee unions. Besides Detroit, here's a brief MSN article about big cities likely to go bankrupt because of all the unfunded pensions they've promised to their employees: <br /><br />http://money.msn.com/investing/post--3-huge-cities-flirting-with-bankruptcy<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-35497532795139711022014-03-03T17:57:26.073-07:002014-03-03T17:57:26.073-07:00Outsourcing: the only way to practice any sort of ...Outsourcing: the only way to practice any sort of "international" law for 99% of graduates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-38886032823390402682014-03-03T17:40:13.719-07:002014-03-03T17:40:13.719-07:00Still believe that YOU will beat the odds, armed w...Still believe that YOU will beat the odds, armed with a law degree from RuTTger$ or CreighTTTon, lemmings?!?!Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-88951418195167928052014-03-03T16:44:20.627-07:002014-03-03T16:44:20.627-07:00Heck, why even use Indian lawyers? Just get a bri...Heck, why even use Indian lawyers? Just get a bright $10.00 an hour Indian college grad who is fluent in English and teach him to practice law without a license. JeffMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03570176730771111002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-88242816715456795682014-03-03T15:22:33.972-07:002014-03-03T15:22:33.972-07:00Bro/Broess, you are right. Don't try to become...Bro/Broess, you are right. Don't try to become a cop or tradesmen because the 3 months in opportunity cost and few k necessary to go to a relevant city for testing is too much of an expense. I mean, only one percent of applicants can get those jobs, and the applicant pool is totally equivalent to those trying to get into professional/graduate school programs. And you know, if you don't get one of those jobs, oh the horror, you wasted three months and a few k in travel costs.<br /><br />The better thing to do is spend 7 years trying to become a lawyer, amass a few hundred k in non dischargeable debt, with the hope of being one of the top one percent that gets a job with a 5 year shelf life where you work 80 hours a week and your after tax and after loan payment compensation is roughly the same as the guy working for the municipality. Oh yeah, people are also becoming millionaires trying to figure out how to get you fired and send your job to India. I mean, that's a totally better move than trying and failing at getting a job where no one can outsource you and the politicians have your fucking back all the way to the bank and retirement at 45.<br /><br />Wait, wait I know what you are thinking. Everyone on the police force is working on the force because they have a relative or friend on the force. Same thing in the trades. And you know, that kind of shit doesn't go down in the law. Yet another reason to keep fucking that chicken, education baby, get it.<br /><br />Wait, I know, The answer isn't law, it's STEM! Because, let me tell you, in STEM, you'll likely get a decent job for like 5 years, and then, someone with an H1b1 visa will take your job or your job will go to China. But hey, it's easier than getting those municipal jobs with such vaunted examination question involving basic arithmetic. I mean, again, only one percent get those jobs. It's more selective than Haravrd, and who has three months to waste. <br /><br />Better to spend four years studying differential equations and shit, you know that's easier than trying to get into the trades. <br /><br />What's that you say (or are going to say in reply to my message)? My sarcastic tone is building up strawmen? You didn't say that LS or college was the way to go, just that I'm arguing for the "cop fallacy," which is just as bad or unattainable.<br /><br />No it isnt as unattainable. You can be as politically correct as you want. You can ignore this message all you want. <br /><br />Here are the Cold hard facts: the scamblogs have done an excellent job at bringing down applications and bringing awareness to the public on this issue. However, there will never, ever be political change on this issue. White collar professionals are not allowed to complain, they don't matter. And with respect to lawyers, the public loves what is happening to us. Loves it. So, lawyers are in the domain of the labor surplus. The domain of the politically unprotected, like the engineer, the autoworker, the mid- level mareketer, and soon to be medical providers etc, but unlike them, we are also in the domain of the hated. You can write 10,000 blog posts, but no one in power cares about college graduates, and especially Law school graduates. They do care about the cop, the fireman, the garbageman, the big city tradesmen, etc. Why is this relevant? Some more cold hard facts: the only reason applications haven't plummeted further is because law schools are saying the following thing to young, ambitious, and hard working kids: "what else are you going to do with your life?" I know it. I read their blogs, their articles, and I have even heard several law professors at my LS say this to people. Without an answer to that question, there is always going to be more applicants than seats at Law schools. Kids are going to take the life altering gamble on big law and the law school lottery because they see no other options.<br /><br />My argument can be ridiculed or censored or ignored, but it's sound. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com