tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post852764898683853281..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: News Flash : Applicants down 8.5%Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-566297533505830462014-12-09T11:09:52.889-07:002014-12-09T11:09:52.889-07:00UC Irvine's admission and placement stats have...UC Irvine's admission and placement stats have plunged in the last couple of years. I predict intense disappointment for its backers once the new US News rankings come out in March.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-41293149339604059232014-12-09T11:06:19.415-07:002014-12-09T11:06:19.415-07:00I'm fully expecting that in March, when US New...I'm fully expecting that in March, when US News ranks UC Irvine for the first time, it will rank lower than 30. By all relevant standards, including but not limited to rankings, it's not a school worth attending. The one exception would be someone from SoCal who wants to practice in OC and gets a full scholarship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-53665970030917905992014-12-09T10:59:06.107-07:002014-12-09T10:59:06.107-07:00There are still lots of Downfall clips on YouTube:...There are still lots of Downfall clips on YouTube: Hitler gets his LSAT score, Hitler fails his exams, Hitler gets laid off from Albany Law School. Good stuff. Watch and enjoy.<br /><br />I hope someone does a new variation on this: Hitler demands transparency from the bar examiners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-24913155603747051222014-12-09T05:55:43.250-07:002014-12-09T05:55:43.250-07:00If Princeton opened another law school, it would s...If Princeton opened another law school, it would start in the top ten, and quite likely the top five. A non-name institution such as Indiana Tech, however, cannot pull off the same feat. Irvine is a special case—not quite no-name, located where many people (unaccountably) would like to live, and the first entering class was fully bought off (zero tuition). And even Irvine will prove to be a disappointment and a rip-off.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67962177013560092402014-12-08T22:14:39.103-07:002014-12-08T22:14:39.103-07:002:09 and 2:20 here. This information comes from Je...2:09 and 2:20 here. This information comes from Jessica Lynn Anderson (now Glassburn), Assistant Dean of Admissions at Indiana Tech.<br /><br />Yes, I do know that Ghana is in Africa, but she did not specify to me what country the student is from. Enough with the snark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-11891925670778153752014-12-08T19:40:36.910-07:002014-12-08T19:40:36.910-07:00Agreed,, this was why ten (out of 70) dental schoo...Agreed,, this was why ten (out of 70) dental schools shut down in the 90s--the appilcant: seat ratio was 1.4: 1 or so. It was embarrassing. This is where the hypocrisy of 'academic professionalism' and doing the right thing (shutting down the debt factories) coincides. Also, many lower schools are all about the cash--the law school could get shut down when the wrinkled dean that opened the law school for business gets wheeled away. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-2745458786230869652014-12-08T19:29:35.586-07:002014-12-08T19:29:35.586-07:00"$100 says that the "more than full tuit..."$100 says that the "more than full tuition" student is the one from Princeton. Yes, there is a Princeton grad in ITSL's incoming class this year"<br /><br />The Princeton grad should have gone to Princeton Law School, instead.<br /><br />After all, PLS is a LOT closer to ABA accreditation than is ITLS.ITOTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-88730621355449593062014-12-08T19:18:13.376-07:002014-12-08T19:18:13.376-07:00Not disagreeing here, but the articles in the main...Not disagreeing here, but the articles in the mainstream highlighting the scam have done much to shed light on this problem. These articles must continue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-15004536787939885862014-12-08T16:42:43.069-07:002014-12-08T16:42:43.069-07:00"More than tuition" for UCI's first ..."More than tuition" for UCI's first year class meant free health insurance and waived student fees. It could also mean discounted/free dorms. Though a 1-bedroom apartment in rural Indiana costs as little as $300 a month.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-12755926123208112322014-12-08T16:40:48.121-07:002014-12-08T16:40:48.121-07:00There used to be a law scam Downfall clip. A lot o...There used to be a law scam Downfall clip. A lot of them got DMCA'd a few years ago. There were also those "make your own cartoons."<br /><br />The full movie is pretty good BTW if you like the clip, basically showing Hitler going nuts with his meth addiction in his bunker surrounded by his depressed retainers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-22507014214178367422014-12-08T14:44:39.615-07:002014-12-08T14:44:39.615-07:00Except that a fairly selective university is unlik...Except that a fairly selective university is unlikely to be happy if its law school has become effectively open admissions. The university might be inclined to shut down the law school if they think that the declining reputation of the law school would drag down the overall reputation of the university.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-79308386338707336462014-12-08T14:37:15.628-07:002014-12-08T14:37:15.628-07:00Or that they needed a token to flash around. The o...Or that they needed a token to flash around. The one from Ghana ("We attract foreign students"). The one from Princeton ("Three percent of this year's entering students came from the Ivy League").<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86802505169678911072014-12-08T14:30:33.533-07:002014-12-08T14:30:33.533-07:00Some economists that study education trends are ca...Some economists that study education trends are calling for 50 percent of all private colleges to close in the next two decades ... simply put, they are too expensive and provide too little in the way of employable, value-added skill. Thus, they are a prestige item, and not affordable by the vast majority of people.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-38378063826887582032014-12-08T12:25:38.130-07:002014-12-08T12:25:38.130-07:00I don't foresee *mass* closings, but law schoo...I don't foresee *mass* closings, but law schools within universities won't be subsidized forever. Eventually the cries from other university programs that want the money will become too strident. The job situation is not going to improve anytime soon (if ever). Even this month's ABA Journal, which hit my desk this morning, has an article about the continuing trend of corporations doing more and more legal work with in-house counsel. Eventually, even the dumbest, most out-of-touch lemmings will get the message that a law degree counts for nothing. When that happens, good-bye federal gravy train.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86930485371769411522014-12-08T12:16:50.621-07:002014-12-08T12:16:50.621-07:00That would be AWESOME.That would be AWESOME.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-56694193944274995232014-12-08T12:04:46.719-07:002014-12-08T12:04:46.719-07:0012-8-14 @ 8:36 AM:
Agreed. Only small independent...12-8-14 @ 8:36 AM:<br /><br />Agreed. Only small independent law schools which can't affiliate will go under. Vermont, for example, and Albany, desperately trying to affiliate into the SUNY system to get on the taxpayer dole, etc.<br /><br />I too wouldn't look for mass closings. That might be what we scambloggers want. But realistically, the Education Cash Cow still has quite a bit of milk left in it - as long as Congress is willing to continue to write the checks.<br /><br />The main victors will indeed be the ones who opt out and decide not to attend.<br /><br />I can see the Scam continuing on for another 20 years at this point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19092222927465397722014-12-08T11:31:17.050-07:002014-12-08T11:31:17.050-07:00"One person got "[m]ore than full tuitio..."One person got "[m]ore than full tuition" from the skule. I wonder who that was, and why they paid her or him to attend."<br /><br />Old Guy<br /><br />It either meant that they were paying part of his cost of living, or the son/daughter of somebody influential is being 'taken care of'.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89141509442680514262014-12-08T11:16:58.689-07:002014-12-08T11:16:58.689-07:00Now Indy Tech can start recruiting students from C...Now Indy Tech can start recruiting students from China. You know, in Asia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-49546352179318114002014-12-08T09:36:37.514-07:002014-12-08T09:36:37.514-07:00Unfortunately, if the law school is part of a univ...Unfortunately, if the law school is part of a university campus, the university will almost certainly keep the law school afloat given the prestige of having a law school (or the loss of prestige that would come from shutting one down). Some schools will merge, some independent ones will go bust, a lot of admin will lose jobs, retiring profs won't be replaced. That's the best we'll get from the law schools. The main victors here are the people who don't attend. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74161553856583420152014-12-08T09:15:15.666-07:002014-12-08T09:15:15.666-07:00I was accepted to Hamline with an 85% no strings s...I was accepted to Hamline with an 85% no strings scholarship in 2011 - I would have been able to obtain a JD for ~15k + COL. I did not attend.<br /><br />Given the super saturated MSP legal market I do not regret this decision.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34460937012934346852014-12-08T08:38:57.194-07:002014-12-08T08:38:57.194-07:00Exactly.
The entire modern society is designed to...Exactly.<br /><br />The entire modern society is designed to obscure the fact that we live in a guilded age. Oh, you have advanced education? That's nice.. But since it's not T10, it really doesn't matter.. In other words, designed to keep people working hard believing they have a fair shot at the American Dream when in reality things are the same as they ever were. Those who have already beaten the System will continue to beat it while the rest are ruthlessly used and profiteered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-60255798164776395422014-12-08T08:10:01.062-07:002014-12-08T08:10:01.062-07:00Yes, Indiana Tech had one student from Ghana. I re...Yes, Indiana Tech had one student from Ghana. I remember because Alexander pointed out—for the dipshit Indiana Tech types who didn't know—that Ghana is in Africa.<br /><br />I'm willing to bet that the one from Africa last year and the one from Princeton this year were indeed the recipients of Indiana Tech's bribe. By drawing in a foreign student and one from an Ivy League university, Indiana Tech forged (in more than one sense of the word) a reputation as a serious law school of interest to more people than the local mouth-breathers.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-24998433792548503922014-12-08T06:42:20.484-07:002014-12-08T06:42:20.484-07:00"The number of applicants now falls below the..."The number of applicants now falls below the number of matriculants from a few years ago. Law skules will not succeed in putting a butt in every seat. "<br /><br />My money is on a number of schools becoming fith-seventh year senior program, aggressively recruiting at third-tier undergraduate programs (where most grads have problems getting jobs). <br /><br />This will cause their bar passage rates to plummet to maybe 25%, but (a) that's a few years off, and (b) the bottom-feeders run the ABA education committee.<br /><br />Given a choice of a third of the law schools collapsing, or the system becoming 90% corrupt, the people running it will choose the first.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-64929522674376375182014-12-08T05:09:05.664-07:002014-12-08T05:09:05.664-07:00Mainstream media knows what's happening, but l...Mainstream media knows what's happening, but law schools are a powerful foe ($$$$). Plus, law school is not a scam for the rich and well-connected, the very demographic law school has been designed for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-30843655773176663812014-12-08T03:20:22.540-07:002014-12-08T03:20:22.540-07:00Sorry, I meant Hamline in Minnesota is giving out ...Sorry, I meant Hamline in Minnesota is giving out "more than full tuition," but St. Thomas may be doing it, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com