tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post8252485631727369015..comments2024-03-18T11:05:17.083-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Students scamming students???Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-61865959698323861522022-06-22T01:13:22.409-06:002022-06-22T01:13:22.409-06:00I am one of the students who went through their pr...I am one of the students who went through their programs hoping I could get admitted to the school that I want, sadly, I find their services very absurd.<br /><br />It's not the quality I was expecting, most of the people who provides guidance are not the typical people you want to be with.<br /><br />I paid a fortune for their service and will never use them again.<br /><br />I will never recommend or vouch for ingeniusprep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-87994757602308202382014-03-18T00:35:41.709-06:002014-03-18T00:35:41.709-06:00Never avail ingenius prep, they are scammers, they...Never avail ingenius prep, they are scammers, they charged me with their services but i did not <br />get the result that I want to have. Never avail services under the names of Noah Greenfield, Joel Butterly and David Mainiero they are full of false hopes.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-35786253315357809562013-11-23T16:06:45.992-07:002013-11-23T16:06:45.992-07:00Cooley FTW. +1Cooley FTW. +1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19142507039305873112013-11-12T06:04:48.578-07:002013-11-12T06:04:48.578-07:00"I also would urge you to consider exactly wh..."I also would urge you to consider exactly what law students (or students at any undergraduate or graduate institution) are doing when they send e-mails to potential employers from their school e-mail address, or with their school mentioned in an e-mail signature, or by putting their school's names on their resume, etc." <br /><br />Such students are putting their school's name to its intended use. You, on the other hand, are using your school's name for commercial profit. There's a big difference.<br /><br />"I also would urge you to consider exactly what law students (or students at any undergraduate or graduate institution) are doing when they send e-mails to potential employers from their school e-mail address, or with their school mentioned in an e-mail signature, or by putting their school's names on their resume, etc." <br /><br />Such students are putting their school's name to its intended use. You, on the other hand, are using your school's name for commercial profit. There's a big difference.<br /><br />By the way, I am deeply disappointed in the insinuation that you would try and quash any criticism of your commercial venture by wrongfully suing a blog author. I expect a Harvard law student to have as much appreciation or more for the marketplace of ideas underlying the First Amendment, than the typical aggrieved small business owner. You know damn well that nothing libelous has been stated in these posts, even prior to the author removing the word "scam" from certain passages just to appease you. Shame on the author and his commenters? Shame on you for abusing the law to chill free speech. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-56787336712657591962013-11-08T14:48:42.980-07:002013-11-08T14:48:42.980-07:00I bought one of those.I bought one of those.ConcernTrollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-44215371284305445332013-11-08T12:31:56.225-07:002013-11-08T12:31:56.225-07:00"In many cases, we advise students that they ..."In many cases, we advise students that they should strongly consider not taking on debt to attend a lower-tier school in light of the current legal job market. This is not something that is profitable for us to do, but it is a bedrock of our company's (and my) ethics policy."<br /><br />Is that before or after you take the cash?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-69496498205410635042013-11-08T12:28:15.261-07:002013-11-08T12:28:15.261-07:00" I am baffled by your criticism that we do n..." I am baffled by your criticism that we do not offer "any guarantees" of admissions. Of course, we don't...that would be a scam."<br /><br />Uh, no, it wouldn't. It's called a money-back guarantee, e.g. "Your LSAT and GPA place you in the admissions range for school X. If our consultants fail to get you into school x, we will give you your money back."<br /><br />It's what legitimate companies do to back up the value they provide clients and customers.<br /><br />" exactly what law students (or students at any undergraduate or graduate institution) are doing when they send e-mails to potential employers from their school e-mail address, or with their school mentioned in an e-mail signature, or by putting their school's names on their resume, etc."<br /><br />I'll tell you what they're not doing, and that's attempting to generate revenue for a for-profit enterprise with the illusion of endorsement.<br /><br />"All of your hateful comments, especially from behind the veil of anonymity are loathsome, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves."<br /><br />Go fuck yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45077523780256572052013-11-08T01:49:46.220-07:002013-11-08T01:49:46.220-07:00Yes, it's two different people. But they are ...Yes, it's two different people. But they are related (father and son), and the latter appears to have assumed a different name to try to distance himself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-73000630778006869702013-11-07T13:57:42.417-07:002013-11-07T13:57:42.417-07:00I misspoke above when I said - "While there m...I misspoke above when I said - "While there may be some merit in what some law schools have done to mislead prospective students, I do not agree with your vendetta against law schools and everything associated with them." I meant to say "While there may be some merit in CRITICIZING what some law schools have done to mislead prospective students..."David Mainieronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-29439522789140366002013-11-07T13:04:27.421-07:002013-11-07T13:04:27.421-07:00Also, I am baffled by your criticism that we do no...Also, I am baffled by your criticism that we do not offer "any guarantees" of admissions. Of course, we don't...that would be a scam. Your circular logic seems to say: your company is a scam because it doesn't guarantee people admission, thereby scamming people. <br /><br />One commenter said that I am "trading off of Harvard's good name for profit." Not only do I take issue with the insinuation that I am doing something improper, but I also would urge you to consider exactly what law students (or students at any undergraduate or graduate institution) are doing when they send e-mails to potential employers from their school e-mail address, or with their school mentioned in an e-mail signature, or by putting their school's names on their resume, etc. You pay tuition (and a lot of interest on that tuition) for the privilege of benefiting from the education AND reputation of a school. <br /><br />All of your hateful comments, especially from behind the veil of anonymity are loathsome, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. If your mission is to help people make more informed decisions, you should do so in a much more responsible fashion.<br /><br />Regards,<br />David Mainiero<br />David Mainieronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-76150871255118238422013-11-07T13:04:19.720-07:002013-11-07T13:04:19.720-07:00"---------- Forwarded message ----------
From..."---------- Forwarded message ----------<br />From: Peter Carlton <br />Date: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:08 AM<br />Subject: Request for information about law school prep services<br />To: info@ingeniusprep.com<br /><br /><br />Hi guys:<br /> <br />I am looking for some law school preparation services for this upcoming year. I am a student at UVA, and I would like to move up to an Ivy school for my JD starting in 2014.<br /> <br />I couldn't see any packages offered on your site. Do you have a soup to nuts type package that bundles up some LSAT prep, application assistance and anything else I might need into one simple plan? Money should not be a problem, but the site was rather shy with its prices and the details of what might be included.<br /> <br />Looking forward to hearing from you!<br /> <br />Peter"<br /><br /><br />If you are of the opinion that admissions counseling services are useless, you are entitled to that opinion. However, your allegations that our company is a "scam" and that I personally am a "scammer" (square-jawed, to be specific) are completely unwarranted and libelous. There are a great many people that benefit tremendously from our services, and for you to call them "stupid" because you do not consider find such services to be worthwhile is extremely arrogant and elitist. Do you also believe that students who seek after-school help or tutoring in a particular subject are "stupid" and being "scammed"? <br />David Mainieronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-64577751896303300562013-11-07T13:04:12.835-07:002013-11-07T13:04:12.835-07:00The author of this article neglected to mention th...The author of this article neglected to mention that his e-mail to the company included him posing as an undergraduate student from an elite school. He specifically requested a "soup-to-nuts" package that was all-inclusive and indicated that "money should not be a problem." At first impression, "Peter" might be a strong candidate for his target law schools. Notice how I mentioned to him that I was concerned with his application timeline (and even advised against it)...all before any prospect of actually receiving money from him. Hardly the hallmark of a "scam"...<br /><br />Before responding to "Peter's" request, I did a quick Facebook search on him and realized that Peter Carlton did not, in fact, exist. I assumed he was a competitor seeking pricing information, but reached out anyway because our prices are no secret. They are all posted on our website, which was under construction at the time of this blog post. inGenius services are more competitively priced than any peer company. See, e.g., http://www.annaivey.com/, http://lawschoolexpert.com/. <br />David Mainieronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45291562421818367382013-11-07T13:04:04.812-07:002013-11-07T13:04:04.812-07:00Dear bloggers/commenters,
This is a very troublin...Dear bloggers/commenters,<br /><br />This is a very troubling blog entry and thread of comments, almost all of which is completely baseless. At inGenius, we advise and counsel students that need our help. In many cases, we advise students that they should strongly consider not taking on debt to attend a lower-tier school in light of the current legal job market. This is not something that is profitable for us to do, but it is a bedrock of our company's (and my) ethics policy. We also have a generous financial aid program and are in the process of having our "pro bono" division applying for non-profit status. These are not things we have to do, but things we choose to do.<br /><br />As I understand, the purpose of this blog is to expose law school as a scam because of a paucity of legal jobs available after graduation. While there may be some merit in what some law schools have done to mislead prospective students, I do not agree with your vendetta against law schools and everything associated with them. If your beef is with the admission consulting business in general, we disagree with you, but wouldn't mind your commentary or spirited debate about the issue. Your personal attacks on me, on inGenius, and on the students we work with are blatant distortions and lies and are rife with inappropriate and unjustifiable innuendo.<br />David Mainieronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-29031865670521693042013-11-07T00:11:57.734-07:002013-11-07T00:11:57.734-07:00David Manero is very different from David Mainiero...David Manero is very different from David Mainiero its a two different person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26023551845565912002013-10-12T04:46:56.473-06:002013-10-12T04:46:56.473-06:00So you go naked into a restaurant, order some soup...So you go naked into a restaurant, order some soup, and make sure it ends up down there. That's not a bad tort setup, as we found out with the extra-hot coffee thing.<br /><br />Got to keep those new attorneys working, you know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89605855161849479482013-10-11T14:45:04.481-06:002013-10-11T14:45:04.481-06:00@4:41
Oh, the people here posting on a legal blog...@4:41<br /><br />Oh, the people here posting on a legal blog know a lot about litigation - possibly more than you. <br /><br />You see, litigation has never been about legal principles. It's always been about who has the biggest pocketbook. If you don't know that yet, you probably haven't been out in the real world that much. Let me guess, you're a professor that teaches litigation at some law school, right? You probably waste your students' time talking about legal principles instead of telling them the truth about litigation: it's all about the pocketbook and if you have a large one, your chances of winning quadruple.<br /><br />Unfortunately, Mr. Mainiero seems to have a rather large pocketbook behind him - one of the reasons he is studying at Harvard I'm sure. Scambloggers - not so much. So don't waste your bennies, guys. There are much more valuable places to put them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-71350829238586042612013-10-11T13:18:57.052-06:002013-10-11T13:18:57.052-06:00Looks like there connected to their Italian counte...Looks like there connected to their Italian counterparts if you get my drift. Google John Rosatti, he was the partner with his old man..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-56829008323093154292013-10-11T05:41:31.662-06:002013-10-11T05:41:31.662-06:00What is with people posting on a legal blog who ha...What is with people posting on a legal blog who have absolutely no understanding of litigation whatsoever?<br /><br />Bringing a libel suit in this case would not only be frivolous, but it'd also risk a serious damage to the plaintiff's career prospects, both with their current venture and with The Law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-59714101309220479312013-10-11T02:57:05.126-06:002013-10-11T02:57:05.126-06:00Soup to nuts. Yeah. Boiling hot tomato soup right...Soup to nuts. Yeah. Boiling hot tomato soup right to my naked nutbag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-12309925537420286792013-10-10T21:24:13.485-06:002013-10-10T21:24:13.485-06:00"Aristocratic" is on the mark. Daddy own..."Aristocratic" is on the mark. Daddy owns numerous restaurants and apparently managed to rip off more than $1M from his partners. Baby, an ugly-ass square-jawed scammer, becomes the "developer" of a restaurant in California while still in law school. You don't think that Baby comes from big money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-1898307958405219472013-10-10T17:40:25.455-06:002013-10-10T17:40:25.455-06:00Chicago is only No. 41 in the definitive Cooley ra...Chicago is only No. 41 in the definitive Cooley rankings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-710559338219108022013-10-10T17:38:21.782-06:002013-10-10T17:38:21.782-06:00Sue. Please. The discovery promises to be highly...Sue. Please. The discovery promises to be highly, highly amusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-22229513591894758192013-10-10T16:46:30.283-06:002013-10-10T16:46:30.283-06:00I bet this post will stay up forever, like the one...I bet this post will stay up forever, like the one about Paul Pless.<br /><br />Sorry. Thanks for playing, and goodbye!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80368625969520226232013-10-10T16:44:43.085-06:002013-10-10T16:44:43.085-06:00Hi David or his co-scammer Joel Butterly from Yale...Hi David or his co-scammer Joel Butterly from Yale. There is no libel here. Opinion and truth only. If you're ashamed, STOP SCAMMING PEOPLE instead of trying to hide your scamming with threats of libel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-18309929404174455372013-10-10T16:21:20.887-06:002013-10-10T16:21:20.887-06:00Yeah - I think 9:16 raises a valid concern. I don...Yeah - I think 9:16 raises a valid concern. I don't want to have to say 'good-bye' to one of my favorite blogs, so be careful, guys and maybe stay away from the individuals? Just because I would be PISSED if something happened to this blog...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com