tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post8043709436273394136..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Rankings Review: The UC-Irvine ProblemUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-85749291913487709492016-01-17T02:45:05.754-07:002016-01-17T02:45:05.754-07:00UC IRVINE!! They are also a top 30 school for the ...UC IRVINE!! They are also a top 30 school for the general US News and World report ranking. Definitely a pretigeous school!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86670336653319486292015-03-28T11:55:24.638-06:002015-03-28T11:55:24.638-06:00Are they going to keep Dean Reynolds?Are they going to keep Dean Reynolds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-27044426820195151312015-03-28T11:50:22.527-06:002015-03-28T11:50:22.527-06:00Why do you think the reason was for the drop for W...Why do you think the reason was for the drop for Wake Forest. I noticed their previous dean, Dean Morant, left and will be at George Washington this fall. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-39655310503097307692015-03-12T15:12:18.874-06:002015-03-12T15:12:18.874-06:00Let's give Lukashenko a break. He renationaliz...Let's give Lukashenko a break. He renationalized the economy, wiped out hunger, unemployment, etc. What would you rather have, dictatorship by rotating committee--like Poland/Czech?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-62534438724848879802015-03-12T08:46:32.070-06:002015-03-12T08:46:32.070-06:00And I'm sure we can all agree that Brian Leite...And I'm sure we can all agree that Brian Leiter is above petty squabbles and vindictive grudges, and only evaluates scholarship data as the rational, data-driven ubermensch that we all know him to be. He would never play favorites or engage in quid-pro-quo behavior.dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-84074628531045121612015-03-12T06:42:48.807-06:002015-03-12T06:42:48.807-06:00Campos analyzed the financial's of the institu...Campos analyzed the financial's of the institution. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2015/03/chemerinskys-folly<br /><br />Chem seems to have gotten his name-brand in quite some trouble. Antirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353794908230833127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80298219070762150652015-03-11T23:07:13.682-06:002015-03-11T23:07:13.682-06:00@6:56 pm, you could tell your friend that I like m...@6:56 pm, you could tell your friend that I like my latte extra hot with just a hint of vanilla. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-66912935566831138362015-03-11T22:30:06.199-06:002015-03-11T22:30:06.199-06:00Well, consider what she thinks when you warn her: ...Well, consider what she thinks when you warn her: "I can't quit now. At least I'm not paying tuition. It's only two more years. Maybe I'll be one of the lucky ones. Besides, I don't know what else to do with my degree in the humanities. A degree in law could pay off in some unexpected way."<br /><br />I too think that she's going to have to learn the hard way. And you're welcome to tell her that I said so.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74157540040300381262015-03-11T22:20:21.756-06:002015-03-11T22:20:21.756-06:00And the mighty Santa Clara Law School roars back i...And the mighty Santa Clara Law School roars back into the top 100!<br /><br />We're 94! We're 94!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-70842673043712183092015-03-11T19:27:37.833-06:002015-03-11T19:27:37.833-06:00Old Guy at 4:59: Prior to my associate starting at...Old Guy at 4:59: Prior to my associate starting at PSU/Dickinson, I had written to and received a helpful response from Prof Deborah Merritt, co-author at ITLSS, which I forwarded to my associate, unfortunately without good effect. I guess some individuals can only learn the hard way. At the risk of alienating the young lady I may send her this blog / comments as well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67879145258014827832015-03-11T18:00:40.993-06:002015-03-11T18:00:40.993-06:00No, it remains firmly at the bottom of the fourth ...No, it remains firmly at the bottom of the fourth tier, which starts around #17 and goes all the way to the bottom.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-84401222571447500432015-03-11T17:59:16.281-06:002015-03-11T17:59:16.281-06:00Her fiancée? Many an engagement, and even a marria...Her fiancée? Many an engagement, and even a marriage, has gone south because of unemployment and debt linked to law school.<br /><br />You're quite right about the high cost of attending law school, even when tuition is free. And you're right about the opportunity cost as well. Also consider how your acquaintance is going to account for those three years of law school on her résumé: report humdrum results at a fourth-tier law school, and leave every prospective employer to wonder why she isn't working as a lawyer? omit that period, and leave a three-year gap that is difficult to explain? Having graduated at the top of my class at an élite law school yet still sent out résumés omitting my law degree, I know whereof I speak.<br /><br />She plans to help low-income people? Tell her that she is almost certain to join their ranks.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-70874857453632315302015-03-11T14:51:42.526-06:002015-03-11T14:51:42.526-06:00Barry & Anon 9:08. The full scholarship mitig...Barry & Anon 9:08. The full scholarship mitigated the big debt issue but there's still the living expenses, books, etc. paid from savings, which could be put instead toward future home ownership or other better purpose. And opportunity lost in misspent time, foregone income from some kind of job / business Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-43321679708504617902015-03-11T12:44:52.726-06:002015-03-11T12:44:52.726-06:009:08 AM and 10:30 AM are both right, and this is w...9:08 AM and 10:30 AM are both right, and this is why I blog with OTLSS. <br /><br />There were many other JD-Advantage types in my law school, both trad and non-trad. I would guess 10% of the class, if you believe what people talk about inbetween those who claimed they were going to be "international lawyers" or "sports lawyers" or "constitutional lawyers". <br /><br />The deluded lemmings were one thing, but there were also people iwho had no business being there, including myself.dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80557887424574522762015-03-11T11:30:29.565-06:002015-03-11T11:30:29.565-06:00@9:08:
This is why it's so pernicious that la...@9:08:<br /><br />This is why it's so pernicious that law schools advertise a "JD Advantage" where the law degree can lateral into other fields. That they utter this horseshit unapologetically shows just how ethically bankrupt these "non-profit" leaders are; when they see a cash cow, they milk it.<br /><br />I hope every last one of those charlatans winds up on the job market, suddenly understanding how non-transferable the legal profession credentials are to non-legal contexts. Of course, being a slippery law dean gives one sales experience, management experience, etc., which is considerably more than what a law school can give its victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3365178867984316562015-03-11T10:08:42.528-06:002015-03-11T10:08:42.528-06:00I cannot understand the mentality of lemmings who ...I cannot understand the mentality of lemmings who enter law school with no intention of practicing law. (Of course, a large number of law school grads will never practice law even if they want to, because they won't find jobs, but that's a different story.) Law school is a professional program to train you to be an attorney. You don't go there for the "intellectual experience" or because your real interest lies in a different field but law school is the path of least resistance. Too many people treat law school like it's business, political science, sociology, social work, public affairs, fill-in-the-blank, by other means. It's not. If you really want to study one of those fields, then there are plenty of graduate programs where you can do that, and not be burdened with over $200,000 in debt when you graduate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-39399874213991076052015-03-11T08:54:17.599-06:002015-03-11T08:54:17.599-06:00"She once said you don't have to practice..."She once said you don't have to practice just because you went to law school..."<br /><br />Well, technically one does not, but there is that little rustling at night of 100 to 250 thousand little pictures of George Washington asking to be redeemed.......Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-77116378062888744432015-03-11T08:52:55.634-06:002015-03-11T08:52:55.634-06:00"Not sure what they did."
Kept the empl..."Not sure what they did."<br /><br />Kept the employment percentage up in the 90's.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-66119673942184413312015-03-11T08:51:55.543-06:002015-03-11T08:51:55.543-06:00"Actually, in 2012 Dean Jeremy Paul of UConn ..."Actually, in 2012 Dean Jeremy Paul of UConn law "resigned" at the end of the school year, i.e. shortly after UConn did a swan dive toward the depths of the rankings. They . . . I mean he . . . didn't wait for any financial fallout.<br /><br />Since most of these schools are likely to be in deep financial doo-doo already, the drop in rankings probably just triggered the - ah, 'pursuit of career opportunities elsewhere'.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-59969451873362517562015-03-11T08:43:04.072-06:002015-03-11T08:43:04.072-06:00I know a few law schools who have their 4Ls work i...I know a few law schools who have their 4Ls work in the recruiting department. I'm not joking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89591009265472880042015-03-11T07:35:01.571-06:002015-03-11T07:35:01.571-06:00Thanks Anon 7:58 Old Guy. I attempted mightily to ...Thanks Anon 7:58 Old Guy. I attempted mightily to dissuade her, citing the costs not covered by the scholarship & lost opportunity cost. Unfortunately, like so many, she graduated college with a humanities major & no obvious career path, so law school was of course the "obvious" option. She once said you don't have to practice just because you went to law school, which struck me as just wrongheaded. Why even pursue a professional degree without fully intending to practice in the profession. She views this as a "calling", thinks she can help low income people. At least her fiancee has decent career prospects. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-5427717693664020142015-03-10T20:58:16.756-06:002015-03-10T20:58:16.756-06:00Not to expect a job upon graduation. Even if that ...Not to expect a job upon graduation. Even if that student were at the top of the class, prospects for employment would be poor.<br /><br />That "scholarship" isn't for your colleague's benefit, but for the law skule's.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-50632234146439601422015-03-10T19:56:11.324-06:002015-03-10T19:56:11.324-06:00Hmmm.... what unsolicited advice might I give to a...Hmmm.... what unsolicited advice might I give to a student who entered PSU/Dickinson with full ride scholarship and whose on 1st semester class rank is only in the top third. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-31690977411860873032015-03-10T19:20:25.327-06:002015-03-10T19:20:25.327-06:00Actually, in 2012 Dean Jeremy Paul of UConn law &q...Actually, in 2012 Dean Jeremy Paul of UConn law "resigned" at the end of the school year, i.e. shortly after UConn did a swan dive toward the depths of the rankings. They . . . I mean he . . . didn't wait for any financial fallout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-55713594215688017572015-03-10T18:40:06.496-06:002015-03-10T18:40:06.496-06:00OId Guy- when I was a student at Harvard when the ...OId Guy- when I was a student at Harvard when the recession of the early aughts hit, HBS responded by temporarily hiring some of its unemployed recent graduates at $90k per year. Not sure what they did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com