tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post4727888781697402529..comments2024-03-18T11:05:17.083-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: JD-Disadvantage, Part X - The Truth Comes Full CircleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-63142819150860425972019-04-15T08:24:48.085-06:002019-04-15T08:24:48.085-06:00It’s a miracle Harper is still alive. He was diag...It’s a miracle Harper is still alive. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a couple of years ago. Why he chooses to spend the time he has left tilting at Trumpian windmills is beyond me. Maybe his crazed obsession with Russian conspiracies is what keeps him going. Still, seems kind of sad to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-58630080191451948882019-04-14T09:13:54.191-06:002019-04-14T09:13:54.191-06:00Mr. Harper was apparently a partner at Kirkland &a...Mr. Harper was apparently a partner at Kirkland & Ellis at one point, quite an accomplishment. He reminds me of a semi-pro bono client I had. An absolutely brilliant man who could tell you the exact date in 1958 when something kind of went snap in the back of his brain leaving him essentially non-functional in life, even though he could read my Latin diploma on the wall. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-83464294275370453072019-04-10T02:11:49.733-06:002019-04-10T02:11:49.733-06:00And, "The Story is far from over..." app...And, "The Story is far from over..." apparently. <br /><br />It's just sad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-5397873958462450342019-04-04T22:15:44.378-06:002019-04-04T22:15:44.378-06:00Scam-professors in legal hackademia have long soug...Scam-professors in legal hackademia have long sought to justify their fancy salaries by comparison with those of lawyers in white-shoe law firms, where they themselves could allegedly work.<br /><br />Bullshit. No white-shoe law firm is interested in any scamster's goddamn law-review articles on the Open Road or hip-hop. Hardly any law professor could get a job at a white-shoe law firm, or for that matter at any law firm. Hell, many of them are not even licensed to practice law. In addition, the ten-hour "full-time" week typical in legal hackademia is practically unknown elsewhere. <br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-52475040585843535142019-04-04T18:16:02.907-06:002019-04-04T18:16:02.907-06:00To 12:02: Good analysis. I never thought about the...To 12:02: Good analysis. I never thought about the relative superiority of public sector work in terms of historical eras, but you seemed to hit it on the head. My grandfather worked for the fire department during the Great Depression. Consequently, his family was not particularly affected by it and rather lived in comparative luxury. A nice apartment in the city and a car, still rather rare in the 30s. When I was in college in the early 80s the Reagan self-responsibility propaganda was starting to take root. I met with my college career counselor who asked me what I was planning to do as a career. I think he was expecting me to say I wanted to make a killing on Wall Street, because when I said I might like a government job he went cold. He said, what kind of an answer is that, there are all different kinds of government functions, you need to get focused. <br /><br />The cut off point you give is interesting. Clinton's presidency ended with the Dot Com bust, after a decade of (illusory) prosperity. Bush II inherited it, and then got 9-11, and we are still dealing with the effects of that. W. Bush tried a final revival of the self-responsibility lie of Reagan by trying, deceptively, to abolish Social Security, but it was spotted and squashed down. By this time, enough people had been shafted to know that you really can't expect to get rich, or even secure, just because you want to and you do need structured systems to get by.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-29447696550946304802019-04-04T00:02:16.673-06:002019-04-04T00:02:16.673-06:00@7:18,
And they will be exempt from all societal ...@7:18,<br /><br />And they will be exempt from all societal changes going forward, eg automation, outsourcing,etc.<br /><br />They don’t just beat lawyers, but most private sector professionals.<br /><br />There was a very narrow time frame where the private sector outperformed the public, namely between 1945 and the end of the Clinton Presidency. It’s over now. You work essential services for the public sector where the rich people live or you suffer. It’s that simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34809506081793556002019-04-03T11:57:41.787-06:002019-04-03T11:57:41.787-06:00You must have hit a nerve, 7:02. Harper's lat...You must have hit a nerve, 7:02. Harper's latest is now on the Dan Rather website. Funny thing is, it looks as if it was done on a circa 1972 typewriter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74319260209355952102019-04-01T19:18:47.843-06:002019-04-01T19:18:47.843-06:00The total compensation for experienced teachers in...The total compensation for experienced teachers in the New York metropolitan area has got to far exceed the total compensation for experienced lawyers. Teachers max out in salary between 15 to 20 years of service, depending on the local pay scale. Add to that generous pensions that are state tax free in NY and retiree medical benefits, and the experienced teachers have a pay package of at least $160,000 a year after 15 or 20 years of service. The package is probably closer to $170,000 with the tax free retiree medical and state tax free pensions - those costs are not booked by the municipality as employee compensation costs.<br /><br />How many lawyers over the age of 40 do you know who have a secure till retirement $170,000 a year job after practicing several years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-2522917024362797122019-04-01T10:28:46.906-06:002019-04-01T10:28:46.906-06:00The fact that BoCo's office has a 22 openings ...The fact that BoCo's office has a 22 openings total for "JD-preferred" folks at respectable rates is indeed good news.<br /><br />The larger issue comes when you scale up - 35,000 applicants for 20,000 jobs, not counting experienced people already in the market looking for work. This conservatively leaves at least half of that 35k out in the cold, each year, and the numbers accumulate quickly.<br /><br />Again, we never say there are "no jobs"...the issue is that jobs like BoCo's are difficult to come by and are not terribly numerous. But the student loans companies could care less, to say anything of the law school cartel. Go "network." dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-39590966822002717922019-03-31T19:02:38.877-06:002019-03-31T19:02:38.877-06:00That has been brought up in the past. If there wa...That has been brought up in the past. If there was any doubt that the man needs to get help and some kind of hobby his latest missive eliminates it. His long-anticipated Mueller report found no evidence of collusion but now he says the report doesn't matter. He couldn't even get the disgraced, fake news jockey Dan Rather to post it this time. He lists all the convictions and agreements to cooperate but seems not to get that the cooperation led to no evidence of collusion. And convictions? Whitewater resulted in quite a few, including a governor who resigned and went to prison, but no evidence of criminality by the Clintons was found. Mr. Harper fuels the fires of those who talk about Trump Derangement Syndrome. He hurts his own cause.<br /><br />And OBTW, if anyone who reads this blog knows Harper and thinks he might be ready for a hobby make sure it isn't building models of black helicopters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-73776629511849217302019-03-31T08:58:54.782-06:002019-03-31T08:58:54.782-06:00If jobs such as 9:56s are so plentiful around the ...If jobs such as 9:56s are so plentiful around the US and begging for any attorney to apply, then why is there a problem at all? Why isn't the word getting out on these jobs? I once applied with both my state's insurance examiners division and bank examiners and was scoffed at. I did get an interview with insurance, heard nothing from bank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80817823562711479292019-03-30T22:04:09.219-06:002019-03-30T22:04:09.219-06:00Why is Belly of the Beast still on the links secti...Why is Belly of the Beast still on the links section? Harper lost his mind ages ago, all he writes about is his Trump-Russia conspiracy junk. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-71323161715622872872019-03-30T21:56:11.745-06:002019-03-30T21:56:11.745-06:008:33 - I said our starting salary is 65-70. We do...8:33 - I said our starting salary is 65-70. We do have a great pension and we just posted a position and had to extend it to get over 20 apps. I make quite a bit more than your wife earns as a teacher. I prefer what I do. BoCohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04572743101576519578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-28615193228153514512019-03-30T19:30:52.423-06:002019-03-30T19:30:52.423-06:00That is a temporary position offering JD's $22...That is a temporary position offering JD's $22.00 per hour to work in New York. $22.00 an hour, pre-tax, in New York is like maybe 10 bucks an hour in low cost parts of the U.S. That temporary ad, alone, should tell people that going to law school is a BAD IDEA. $22.00 per hour in New York City. . .dilbert113https://www.blogger.com/profile/15864522757327866167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89100459812757963362019-03-30T18:37:47.146-06:002019-03-30T18:37:47.146-06:00All Trump or anyone else in a position to do somet...All Trump or anyone else in a position to do something needs to do is require that applicants for student loans meet normal underwriting standards for unsecured consumer credit. That would end at least 98% of student lending.<br /><br />Academics, faced with the prospect of having to find "jobs" and do "work" would slash prices in a desperate bid to keep their institutions afloat and their sinecures safe, even at drastically reduced salaries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-30354582326654722172019-03-30T11:57:14.530-06:002019-03-30T11:57:14.530-06:00It included newly admitted attorneys also.It included newly admitted attorneys also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45716494691857617852019-03-30T05:29:52.862-06:002019-03-30T05:29:52.862-06:00I was thinking about how, in the past, I had seen ...I was thinking about how, in the past, I had seen job postings for a Paralegal position with the qualification that the job was not open for JD's. The posting would even explicitly say: "No JD's" and that said, I found this job posting today on Craigslist and it has me scratching my head. It seems the employer is open to hiring a JD, but one without a license. In other words, passing the Bar Exam is going to far. I also just want to add this general observation of mine regarding the scamblogs. Really, if it was just a matter of a career in law not working out and moving on with life then all could say: "Fair enough and good luck." However, the debt is the big problem which makes or can make the pursuit of a law degree a ruinous, lifetime indebted financial disaster. Tucker Carlson recently described Universities and Colleges, in so many words, as gated enclaves of wealth amidst outlying near poverty in whatever towns they are situated. Maybe that's a bit extreme but he was saying that the wealth is coming from student lending and the students are carrying the debt in this era of so much inordinate prosperity for Academia as a result of very powerful lobbying efforts and so on. But am I boring everybody? We have known about all of this for many years by now.... haven't we? So what else is new? Carlson suggests making the Schools co sign a student loan. Ha Ha. Like that would ever happen. Trump vows to fix student debt. Oh yeah? I'll believe that when I see it. But Re the head scratching job posting here: https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/lgl/d/new-york-city-data-breach-non-attorneys/6853607527.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-8340831945464159272019-03-29T08:25:03.291-06:002019-03-29T08:25:03.291-06:004:21s job probably comes with a pension as well as...4:21s job probably comes with a pension as well as well as decent time off benefits and job security.<br /><br />I guess the answer is that everyone in the United States should work in the public sector.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-75849411417188977522019-03-28T20:33:30.096-06:002019-03-28T20:33:30.096-06:00My wife is a public school teacher and makes 110k ...My wife is a public school teacher and makes 110k a year with half the year off and iron clan job security and a pension. <br /><br />You are doing better than many lawyers, but making 70k as a lawyer is not smart when you can make close to double that teaching. <br /><br />Apples to apples comparison. <br /><br />Queue the trolls that it’s impossible to get a teaching job. Yeah, I know, I bet 4:21s agency gets 200 CVs when a job posting becomes available. On an apples to apples basis though, teaching is better. Law is never the answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-18398052663835365892019-03-28T16:21:09.591-06:002019-03-28T16:21:09.591-06:00"As we all know, a data set of one is not a d..."As we all know, a data set of one is not a data set." With this quote in mind, I want to share how things work in my office (state agency). We have 22 full time positions - and none of the positions require a JD. However, when we post a job, every position, with the exception of auditor and clerical staff, lists a JD as a preferred qualification. Over 50% of our current staff are JDs. While we don't make big money (starting salary 65-70K), we have good benefits, job protection, a great work/life balance and interesting work (securities regulation). The same is true for other similar agencies in my state (insurance, real estate, civil rights, etc.). A JD can be useful outside of the legal community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-58445937888542084132019-03-23T18:04:57.757-06:002019-03-23T18:04:57.757-06:00It’s not “scummy” per se, its that success is defi...It’s not “scummy” per se, its that success is defined by seeing other people fail. The whole profession is built on the premise of punishment not reward. From entry level to career end, it’s how it works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34088826180054280842019-03-23T09:44:06.698-06:002019-03-23T09:44:06.698-06:00Another point about the article. Will law firms ev...Another point about the article. Will law firms even hire JDs for paralegal positions? And is it even harder for male JD graduates? I think there is a bias against hiring men for assistant level positions, i.e. paralegal, clerk, administrative assistant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-29218475079094046632019-03-22T13:08:02.577-06:002019-03-22T13:08:02.577-06:00I agree wholeheartedly, but the real crime is that...I agree wholeheartedly, but the real crime is that these kids are taking out upwards of 200K in taxpayer guaranteed student loans for the privilege of working for nothing!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03022557274987782795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-44926727791927714272019-03-22T11:05:51.670-06:002019-03-22T11:05:51.670-06:009:11 AM, you are of course correct. But is this r...9:11 AM, you are of course correct. But is this really the fault of law schools or more the fault of the people at these agencies and firms who take advantage of desperate students. What kind of people would say to themselves, gee there are lots of people looking for these jobs, lets demand they work for nothing. Only the scum of the earth would do that. And that speaks far more about how loathsome so many lawyers are rather than how law schools are worthless. Which brings me back to my original premise, if you want to avoid law as a profession and avoid law school, maybe the best reason for doing so is because there are so many scummy people working in this field. You have one life to live, why live it working in a profession where you cannot avoid these people. The guy who accuses me of being an ellipse troll is just an example of the type of people you have to deal with. God forbid your first job out of law school is having somebody like that as your boss. And these people are highly prevalent in the litigation field where they learn to be soulless at a very young age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-48644343270393472952019-03-21T09:11:29.903-06:002019-03-21T09:11:29.903-06:00One thing that bothers me is that people say, well...One thing that bothers me is that people say, well, until the internet really matured and scamblogs came along, law school applicants and students had no way of knowing they were being scammed into getting a worthless degree. That simply is not true. When I was in law school, I worked in a low-paying government internship for the Attorney General's office full time in the summer between my second and third year of law school and part time in my third year. At the time, they were starting to phase out paid internships, because students were perfectly willing to work full time, 40 hours per week, for free. I realized then, over 25 years ago, that something smelled very fishy and law school was not all it was cracked up to be. Now I hear that law students are literally competing, hard, with each other to get unpaid internships in government agencies, law firms, etc. Anyone stupid enough to work full time for free, in an economy where the unemployment rate is below 4 percent, has no business even being in law school, and should absolutely expect to be unemployed after they graduate. I have zero sympathy for gullible and foolish people who value their own work at zero dollars, zero cents per hour for 40 or more hours a week. They know, or reasonably should know, that they are being scammed by law schools promising high paying jobs for graduates that do not exist.dilbert113https://www.blogger.com/profile/15864522757327866167noreply@blogger.com