tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post3925611305215474191..comments2024-03-27T20:23:56.493-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: JD DisadvantageUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67113949191383925052013-03-01T12:03:29.075-07:002013-03-01T12:03:29.075-07:00No, seriously! What if they conmen lose their jobs...No, seriously! What if they conmen lose their jobs?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-48548438004690069782013-03-01T07:21:31.946-07:002013-03-01T07:21:31.946-07:00Or the school manipulated numbers like a used car ...Or the school manipulated numbers like a used car salesman to make the school not look shitty to get you on the hook for a six figure non dischargeable debt. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86367694407227779042013-03-01T07:02:55.976-07:002013-03-01T07:02:55.976-07:00This is a post worthy of ITLSS. Keep up this quali...This is a post worthy of ITLSS. Keep up this quality of work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19282838516260199072013-03-01T05:37:55.419-07:002013-03-01T05:37:55.419-07:00Yes. It will be a great day because all of your fa...Yes. It will be a great day because all of your failures will be erased if a school employing hundreds of people has close. That will validate your failures as a lawyer and you'll be able to feel so much better about yourself. It was the fault of the school, not the fact that you went to a shitty school. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-55092473053329374242013-03-01T00:24:17.998-07:002013-03-01T00:24:17.998-07:00Great post, dupednontraditional. You should write ...Great post, dupednontraditional. You should write more entires re: the perceived "benefit" of the "versatile" JD. Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-66045759452905872232013-03-01T00:07:28.708-07:002013-03-01T00:07:28.708-07:00^ (11:06p) Forgot the signature. Sorry.^ (11:06p) Forgot the signature. Sorry.Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45144135501783227712013-03-01T00:06:12.989-07:002013-03-01T00:06:12.989-07:00Leave a link to this site everywhere that you post...Leave a link to this site everywhere that you post about law school, preferably when you say something substantive (as opposed to just dropping the link). Though some have tried to get a scamblog discussion site going (e.g. JD Junkyard) most haven't taken off because, at least up until now, ITLSS has been THE law school scam discussion site. Make this blog the new center of the movement. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-39700361467658584722013-02-28T23:34:10.111-07:002013-02-28T23:34:10.111-07:00Anyone have a decent response to Leiter's bull...Anyone have a decent response to Leiter's bullshit? One thing (of many things) that this blog could be is a watch dog site for all of the bullshit spewed by law schools and their apologists.Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-61845748136420188052013-02-28T23:27:28.331-07:002013-02-28T23:27:28.331-07:00LawProf, Godspeed to you in your endeavors. And th...LawProf, Godspeed to you in your endeavors. And thanks for your encouraging post. I'm just glad to hear you haven't been silenced. I worried for a while when I saw that ITLSS will now only accept comments from google users.<br /><br />IMO this site has the potential to become the ATL of scamblogs (multiple contributors covering various aspects of the law school scam and the crumbling legal profession). And I really like the idea of a post re: Leiter's bullshit grave dancing.Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-90185547312459814982013-02-28T21:58:47.487-07:002013-02-28T21:58:47.487-07:00People are just hearing about this blog...People are just hearing about this blog...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74968954761676794062013-02-28T21:01:38.425-07:002013-02-28T21:01:38.425-07:00Song parodies. "Caught in a bad law school.&q...Song parodies. "Caught in a bad law school."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3231482158055663492013-02-28T20:56:57.932-07:002013-02-28T20:56:57.932-07:00Smartphone app. "How to get a job after law s...Smartphone app. "How to get a job after law school." But it never works, because there aren't any.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-81790811505200505562013-02-28T20:50:33.987-07:002013-02-28T20:50:33.987-07:00I just want to make some comments and suggestions ...I just want to make some comments and suggestions for tactics for informing prospectives:<br /><br />1. A funny, but true, tale of an unemployed law grad could be one of those unlikely youtube hits ("The hunger games, JD edition") that get attention. Sure, the situation itself isn't funny -- but the humor gets attention, that's crucial. (But, it has to be actually funny).<br /><br />2. People should go back to your UNDERGRAD career office with your situation -- they are usually supposed to help alumni almost indefinitely. "I can't get a job with my JD, can you help me?" They may not be able to help, but your presence after so many years (and AFTER law school) may shock a few of them and prompt them to talk to undergrads on this issue. ("And by the way, if you have any undergrads wondering about prospects in the law, you can give them my contact info.")<br /><br />3. Is your law school a state school or does it get any state funding? Organize as many unemployed grads as you can and head to the state capital when the legislature is in session, hold a protest outside. Most states are having fiscal problems ... so why are they spending on state law schools that turn out unemployed grads?<br /><br />4. Make as much use of media as you can. That means the local Patch sites and local newspapers, some of them are open to readers' story ideas/letters/columns. Even if 20-somethings don't read those sites, their parents do!<br /><br />5. Getting to people early in college is key. Keep your eye out for any of these "law school career day" type events at your undergrad school (and perhaps even your high school). If they are open to anyone, go ... mingle. You're a member of the audience, ask questions such as "Exactly how many of your most recent two classes are in real law jobs?"<br /><br />If the answer is "I don't have specific figures" or some other such evasion, ask "Why not? Didn't you think this information would be relevant to people considering attending your law school?"<br /><br />7. Another way is through student media. Contact the newspaper at your undergrad school, ask, do they publish letters or columns from alumni? Submit something along these lines:<br /><br />University of Rochester<br />http://www.campustimes.org/2013/02/28/law-school-still-worth-it-if-all-things-considered-2/<br /><br />Brown<br />http://www.browndailyherald.com/2013/02/07/editorial-law-school-doesnt-pass-the-bar/<br /><br />Rutgers<br />http://www.dailytargum.com/opinion/columnists/ben_gold/law-school-lacks-economic-payoff/article_906d9050-66ae-11e2-ae7d-0019bb30f31a.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67842963033574243472013-02-28T20:05:42.501-07:002013-02-28T20:05:42.501-07:00Hey, let's make a Harlem Shakedown video!Hey, let's make a Harlem Shakedown video!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-89196938177991756002013-02-28T19:14:23.111-07:002013-02-28T19:14:23.111-07:00we need to swamp facebook, twitter and youtube wit...we need to swamp facebook, twitter and youtube with our message. Blogs are for readers, and the core demographic of lemmingdom are kids who only read for school assignments. Social media is how we attack. Download and analyze all the ITLSS posts, create graphics as appropriate, and then create videos with the text from ITLSS, along with graphics, and upload to youtube, then swarm all over the social media with the links.<br />-unperson of ETLSSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-68189938514809085572013-02-28T19:10:15.655-07:002013-02-28T19:10:15.655-07:00brianleitersrottingteeth
awesome user namebrianleitersrottingteeth<br /><br />awesome user nameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-6179739959483588052013-02-28T18:39:46.078-07:002013-02-28T18:39:46.078-07:00I saw this comment on http://www.thefacultylounge....<br />I saw this comment on http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/02/law-school-are-the-wrong-people-being-discouraged/comments/page/4/#comments<br /><br />It seems pretty spot on...<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Interesting day in the blogosphere. Leiter and Horwitz make their case against Campos and neither allow for response.<br /><br />Why do they hate Campos so more much than Tamanaha? What set's Campos apart is the way that he helped expand the blame for unemployment and debt from law school administrations and deans to actual law professors, something that hadn't really been done before. The scamblogs that came before his didn't focus much on the role of professors in the scam. Campos did a lot to ruin the image of law professors in the eyes of law students past and present. He told the world that they were perpetrators of the scam but even more, he told the world that they aren't lawyers, aren't academics, and aren't qualified to teach. And it was in this context that his status as an "insider" really made a difference. It's hard to think of any way to hurt law professors more, short of actually firing them, then to tell the world that they aren't that smart and what they do isn't that important. This is why they hate him.<br /><br />Posted by: brianleitersrottingteeth | February 28, 2013 at 08:29 PM Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67706865698905795122013-02-28T18:37:41.675-07:002013-02-28T18:37:41.675-07:00The torch has been passed. A humbling and proud mo...The torch has been passed. A humbling and proud moment for us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-65572903100183138212013-02-28T18:18:19.832-07:002013-02-28T18:18:19.832-07:00"But did I get full disclosure? No. Never. ..."But did I get full disclosure? No. Never. Everyone I applied to said 'Come on board! Your JD and your career aspirations await!' Why? Because it is about 'getting them to sign on the line that is dotted.'"<br /><br />^^^^ 100000% this ^^^^ It is all about getting bodies in the door in 1L. And after 1L, 99 out of 100 students think that they are so far in that they should keep going until the end. They see the $40K they have sunk already and figure that they have nothing else to lose.<br /><br />Law school is more shameful than the shittiest for-profit online scamiversity. It is sales tactics all over, sleazy shiny-suited deans asking us what they can do to get us into this JD today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-84380874979316963682013-02-28T17:33:53.439-07:002013-02-28T17:33:53.439-07:00You can't win, Leiter. If you strike Campos do...You can't win, Leiter. If you strike Campos down, he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-50474761821707494092013-02-28T17:09:34.785-07:002013-02-28T17:09:34.785-07:00dupednontraditional, this is an excellent post. I&...dupednontraditional, this is an excellent post. I'm sorry it didnt get more response. If something as good as this had been posted at ITLSS, it would have received 200 comments by now. I for one am a little disappointed in the response here. Like the other post today said, we have the expertise within ourselves to act as the authority on these issues. You demonstrated that with your post. Dont get discouraged. When I blogged I received maybe five comments at most. You are way above that. Give it time. If you build it, they will come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-17202705230290064232013-02-28T16:53:43.665-07:002013-02-28T16:53:43.665-07:00His lies can be seen here:
http://leiterlawschool...His lies can be seen here:<br /><br />http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2013/02/paul-camposs-final-bit-of-revisionist-history.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-88535225617214754962013-02-28T16:52:37.148-07:002013-02-28T16:52:37.148-07:00It's our pleasure. You're welcome here at...It's our pleasure. You're welcome here at any time. What you've done for law school reform is extraordinary, unprecedented, and might never be repeated. You're a class act, LawProf.Outside The Law School Scamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491712582279564990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-9558654418001753972013-02-28T16:49:30.889-07:002013-02-28T16:49:30.889-07:00Its good to hear.
Blogging each and everyday is r...Its good to hear.<br /><br />Blogging each and everyday is really too much for anyone to expect. Many people already suggested that you should cut down to maybe a couple posts a month and to allow others to post as well. Now with OTLSS, this can be accomplished.<br /><br />Glad to know you'll still be around from time to time.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-85837923838013951602013-02-28T16:49:00.244-07:002013-02-28T16:49:00.244-07:00Excellent advice, dupednontraditional. Although I...Excellent advice, dupednontraditional. Although I'm looking for ways in which we can take this to the next level through activism, I think you're 100% correct in pointing out that this message cannot be repeated often enough. This is an ongoing issue. There are new undergrads each day who are waking up and thinking, "Hmmmm, perhaps I should go to law school?" And it's our duty to make sure that the law school scam is still a newsworthy issue, that we are still shouting our warnings, and making damn sure that this is not over.<br /><br />We've got an amazing resource that was left to us by Professor Campos. ITLSS. Those post should be brought up again and again, the message reposted, expanded upon, and shouted until we're sick of it.<br /><br />ITLSS will remain relevant. It's an amazing resource. It's our job to make sure that it never gets lost, that the message continues to reach those who have not yet heard it. It would be a crime if the end of ITLSS meant the end of scamblogging. That's what we have to preserve.Outside The Law School Scamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491712582279564990noreply@blogger.com