tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post2377702348767757689..comments2024-03-28T07:16:35.912-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Comments and Corrections: Additional thoughts on Prof. Nancy Leong's Leiteresque Smear Artistry. Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-12255959685533183672014-01-07T17:05:34.295-07:002014-01-07T17:05:34.295-07:00If N.L. can not take criticism, she should stay ou...If N.L. can not take criticism, she should stay out of the classroom. I would recommend that students boycott her class and not sign for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26627906190331161412013-12-30T17:48:08.670-07:002013-12-30T17:48:08.670-07:00Nancy Leong really likes to use the term man child...Nancy Leong really likes to use the term man child. Just google nancy leong and man child. Here is a recent example--"Attempting to characterize women as children is thus yet another manifestation of misogyny. Ironically, however, it exposes the misogynists as the ones lacking in the maturity to understand the insecurities that drive their own behavior and to recognize the weaknesses in their own arguments. Indeed, we might ask whether misogyny is a defining feature of the man-child." http://www.nancyleong.com/uncategorized/misogyny-and-the-man-child/#more-61<br /><br />So she can call a man a "man child": and it's okay but when a man calls a woman a child he is a misogynist. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-25103515900250107682013-12-30T12:58:14.663-07:002013-12-30T12:58:14.663-07:00Interesting how anti-sexist Nancy Leong uses the t...Interesting how anti-sexist Nancy Leong uses the term "manchild" on her twitter page. Also, she referred to Dybukk as "you and your little friends" and "children." So, to her, some men are children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-8132338706117952272013-12-28T18:50:15.398-07:002013-12-28T18:50:15.398-07:00Oh, come now. The term "poetic justice" ...Oh, come now. The term "poetic justice" is so 19th-Century and Anglocentric.<br />The 21st Century is the age of narrative justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26463108429887557942013-12-28T00:55:11.997-07:002013-12-28T00:55:11.997-07:00Stanford Law School statistics for this year's...Stanford Law School statistics for this year's classes show 574 students in all three classes, and not a single Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander. That's obviously relevant to the Nancy Leong incidents, but could be taken in several ways. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-68718126403388606902013-12-28T00:49:33.183-07:002013-12-28T00:49:33.183-07:00Well duh, none of the female readers work here eit...Well duh, none of the female readers work here either.<br /><br />Many people have no choice but to support themselves with work, which is why the "hostile work environment" became a standard legal formula. Trying to sound legal by expanding the formula to Internet sites is dishonest at best, and often a pretext for repression. Women and sensitive men do have a choice not to read or visit any site they find "hostile." Others may not find it hostile. Unless there are threats of illegal activity, it's not a legal issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-52216773181129168952013-12-27T03:05:24.973-07:002013-12-27T03:05:24.973-07:00Nancy Leong wrote at nancyleong.com on December 19...Nancy Leong wrote at nancyleong.com on December 19 that "I can throw a punch that will break your nose." So she has a backup plan just in case the state bar doesn't discipline dybbuk...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-28416104219906674422013-12-27T02:51:50.901-07:002013-12-27T02:51:50.901-07:00Hey there 8:20, I salute you and ask: If affirmati...Hey there 8:20, I salute you and ask: If affirmative action is fine and good, then how can anyone "accuse" Nancy Leong of benefitting from it? Wouldn't it be the highest form of praise to indicate her close relationship to the noble institution of affirmative action? <br /><br />You wouldn't be somewhat ashamed of your belief in affirmative action, would you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-18539398908763946452013-12-27T02:44:54.524-07:002013-12-27T02:44:54.524-07:00from Nancy Leong at NancyLeong.com on December 19,...from Nancy Leong at NancyLeong.com on December 19, 2013:<br /><br />"...I can throw a punch that will break your nose."<br /><br />Ouch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-77425429060860463012013-12-26T23:51:26.971-07:002013-12-26T23:51:26.971-07:00Poetic justice.Poetic justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74300667333817976822013-12-26T21:58:25.270-07:002013-12-26T21:58:25.270-07:007.15 here.
9.32 - I wasn't talking about Na...7.15 here. <br /><br />9.32 - I wasn't talking about Nancy, duh. Scamblogging is not a workplace, no, but constant harping on the appearance and sexual/gendered characteristics of every woman you mention does create a hostile sexual environment for female readers. Posts by Adjunct Law Prof used to attract many of these sexist comments; I wasn't surprised when she quit writing. <br /><br />Dybbuk - as I said in my above comment, I tried. Several times. There was never any recognition that constant sexist commentary was even a bad thing. And hey, the tone here is being set by moderators who feel fine writing posts that describe female scammers as 'comely', etc. Why on earth would I want to continue to engage here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45015565587748259732013-12-26T20:00:52.670-07:002013-12-26T20:00:52.670-07:00So, my disturbed friend, what is 'birther?&quo...So, my disturbed friend, what is 'birther?" Is that a name you called me twice before I responded, or is it an admission letter from Yale? Or is it a Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science? A priceless Renoir that someone found in her attic? Perhaps a free vacation for two in Santa Barbara? <br /><br />I think it was a name you called me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-82217111316856373072013-12-26T13:51:43.006-07:002013-12-26T13:51:43.006-07:007:48 a.m.
The particular professor's law rev...7:48 a.m. <br /><br />The particular professor's law review article was not merely substandard. It reminded me of something that a drunk undergrad might produce-- an idiotic thesis, far more puffery and repetition than actual substance, and more pop culture references than any three issues of People Magazine. <br /><br />But it was not just the article that infuriated me-- there were two other factors intertwined: <br /><br />(1) that the particular professor who wrote such a lousy article dared to assert the importance of legal scholarship to law students and profession, and to do so quite arrogantly.<br /><br />http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/laborprof_blog/2012/08/job-security-the-changing-face-of-legal-education-and-the-bigger-picture.html [See the particular's professor's comment at Aug 11, 2012 8:14:41 PM];<br /><br />(2) that the particular professor is utterly lacking in qualifications to profess a subject that I happen to know something about. <br />dybbuk123https://www.blogger.com/profile/08142974443119061724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-66213905751122392632013-12-26T13:40:20.536-07:002013-12-26T13:40:20.536-07:007:48, what this whole escapade has to do with is t...7:48, what this whole escapade has to do with is that dybbuk had the temerity to criticise Nancy's "scholarship," and, in retaliation, Nancy dug up dybbuk's personal information (most likely from Leiter) in order to intimidate dybbuk into silence. She threatened to "out" him, report him to his employer, demanded that he call her to "discuss", there were some rumbling of a bar complaint against dybbuk, etc. Leong uses her feminist/racial musings as both a shield and a sword to advance a personal agenda, which many people find disingenuous to forward progress in actual feminist/racial legal scholarship. <br /><br />So, yes, there has been some "oppression" because dybbuk refused to join the We-Love-Nancy conga line. Overall, however, this is more a symptom of the law school scam buckling under its own weight as the veil is torn away, applications continue to decline, pressure forces tuition discounts, lawprofs have to generate actual work product that students are willing to pay for, etc.dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34590185499184522762013-12-26T13:01:34.201-07:002013-12-26T13:01:34.201-07:00Agreed, 7:57. I suspect the actual Philosophy Dep...Agreed, 7:57. I suspect the actual Philosophy Department at U of C is mildly embarrased by Leiter. As if Nietzche has not been critiqued by later philosophers or as if nothing has happened in the field Nietzche's passing.<br /><br />Is Nietzche important to study? Certainly. Was Nietzche the "last, great philsopher" and should he be fetishized, as Leiter has done? By no means. But don't tell Leiter that...he fancies himself a "philosopher," you see, and has staked his entier career on blind devotion to something that is 150 years old.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-7109370812381340472013-12-26T09:20:13.754-07:002013-12-26T09:20:13.754-07:00In addition to name-calling you're a psycholog...In addition to name-calling you're a psychologist too. <br /><br />The fact remains, very simply and clearly, that you accuse Leong of benefiting from affirmative action without any evidence whatsoever. This is a favored, and failed, tactic of people who generally don't hold rational views of how the world works. They tend to think that white people are oppressed, there's a war on Christmas, and so on. And if people like this are behind the scamblogger movement, maybe their message is as laughable as their other arguments. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-55967986252470754232013-12-26T08:48:04.042-07:002013-12-26T08:48:04.042-07:00I am perplexed why dybbuk123 believes that this pa...I am perplexed why dybbuk123 believes that this particular professor is his oppressor? Is it that you believe law schools should hire people like you, rather than people like her? I understand you were not a student of hers and are considerably older than her, so it is not like you paid her any tuition money. It does not sound like you are unemployed. It does not sound like you have any first hand or even second hand knowledge of how good a teacher she is or even met her. It is hard to imagine you think you have reason to write that many blog posts about her simply because she wrote an obscure law review article you thought was substandard. Why the obsession here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-48683183865212219692013-12-26T02:58:31.054-07:002013-12-26T02:58:31.054-07:00But that's not a Sarah Palin quote. It's a...But that's not a Sarah Palin quote. It's a quote from an online poster. Yours is such a transparent lie that no one's going to believe you any more. You have zero credibility.<br /><br />And that quote that Leong "says she's Native Hawaiian" doesn't exist. It's fabricated by you. She mentioned her ancestry constantly in her four blog posts, supposedly to support claims of racial harassment. If you haven't read her posts, you have no business talking down to someone who has. And she's not claiming to be Asian-American, but Native Hawaiian. Don't you know the difference? That's basic fifth-grade knowledge.<br /><br />Cheating with definitions and quotations won't get me to "back down," which is your neurotic way of keeping score as an Internet bully. I don't know what you're doing here, but you certainly aren't advancing any movement by lying, faking evidence, and making a general fool of yourself. I don't think you agree with dybbuk or anyone else here. You're probably just looking for someone to attack because you hate yourself on Christmas, and in any case you enjoy causing trouble on this site.<br /><br />As far as name-calling, that's a projection by an emotional infant who thinks the word "birther" is a devastating put-down. I really don't care. It won't work on me. In any case, it's the most stupid and irrelevant name you could have chosen, and no one, absolutely no one, is impressed.<br /><br />I care about the issues raised on this site, and I'm not going to let a cranky old hypocrite distract me. But I do need to thank you here at the end. You're most likely a miserable lawyer who hates his life, and your comments are all the evidence anyone could ever need that law is not a glamorous or noble profession. This does advance the goals of the movement, however dimly you realized it when you started your intellectual food fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45657025590821872392013-12-25T23:46:20.787-07:002013-12-25T23:46:20.787-07:00Here's a great Sarah Palin quote for the guy w...Here's a great Sarah Palin quote for the guy who's better at name-calling than he is at arguing: "She, I think, is oblivious to the benefits of her female and minority privilege when it comes to rounding out a faculty." <br /><br />Palin wouldn't have said it any better herself. <br /><br />The fact that Leong "says she's Native Hawaiian" during an online argument is not proof that an affirmative action program gained her admission into Stanford Law School, or onto the faculty of the University of Denver. If anything, based on the numerous Asian-American law graduates I know, her LSAT score and GPA probably blew yours out of the water. God help you people if you are actually litigators or hope to be some day. <br /><br />And just to be clear, Leong is an embarrassment to law professors everywhere, and a perfect emblem of what is wrong with law schools today. I agree with 100 percent of dybbuk's criticism of her. Your baseless and foolish attempts at supporting that criticism are distractions that serve to undermine dybbuk's message. The movement needs your thought process on its side like we need a hole in the head. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-34096982047952121522013-12-25T20:18:54.568-07:002013-12-25T20:18:54.568-07:00I agree. It really is a terrible article.
Some of...I agree. It really is a terrible article.<br /><br />Some of the passages I've read would have been considered juvenile even at my high school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-43576872794922871562013-12-25T19:16:59.989-07:002013-12-25T19:16:59.989-07:00You must be a law professor, 4:26, or you wouldn&#...You must be a law professor, 4:26, or you wouldn't be throwing around pseudo-legal terminology on Christmas Day.<br /><br />If saying that Nancy Leong consistently identifies herself as Hawaiian is an "allegation," then there must be something wrong with her doing so. I would tend to disagree, but maybe you can explain what's wrong with it. Is your beef with affirmative action, or with affirmative action for minority students from middle-class backgrounds? Or perhaps you don't like ethnic and racial identification in general?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-79166181769024451682013-12-25T18:55:00.446-07:002013-12-25T18:55:00.446-07:00Well, this isn't a faculty lounge, if that'...Well, this isn't a faculty lounge, if that's what you mean.<br /><br />Pour yourself some more brandy. Merry Christmas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-18760808410766217302013-12-25T17:26:28.857-07:002013-12-25T17:26:28.857-07:00Common sense would be backing down by admitting th...Common sense would be backing down by admitting that you can't prove the allegation. You have no access to the relevant evidence and therefore have to resort to conjecture, assumptions, and Palin quotes. <br /><br />Kind of like a birther. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74692077657141915422013-12-25T10:32:16.253-07:002013-12-25T10:32:16.253-07:00The legal concept of a hostile work environment ha...The legal concept of a hostile work environment has nothing to do with Nancy Leong's escalating complaints about this blog. Why? Because she works at a law school, not at this blog.<br /><br />Those complaints are a way of getting attention that's worked for her in the past. Once dybbuk actually read her article and subjected her to unexpected criticism and ridicule, she had to seek attention on her own terms again. She's getting it now, not from us, but from other professors and the occasional online head case. No doubt she's enjoying it. She's important again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67545217388998282712013-12-25T09:19:34.787-07:002013-12-25T09:19:34.787-07:00Sometimes victims derive a certain consolation fro...Sometimes victims derive a certain consolation from making snide wisecracks about their wealthy oppressors, especially when those oppressors are particularly arrogant, deceitful, or condescending. The oppressors I refer to, of course, are six-figure salaried unqualified lawprofs, and their victims are those who have been rooked for $100,000 or more in exchange for a worthless educational experience and a devalued professional degree.<br /><br />That said, I do not entirely dismiss your concern (though I strongly disagree with your "hostile environment" characterization of the comment section here). My suggestion is that you engage more, rather than less. If you see a comment that crosses over into sexism, you could just post a comment in reply saying so. We welcome debate here. <br />dybbuk123https://www.blogger.com/profile/08142974443119061724noreply@blogger.com