tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post1934540079257783261..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Law School LemmingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-73399742871635619262014-02-09T12:01:59.161-07:002014-02-09T12:01:59.161-07:00Nah, get rid of federal loans, not only will educa...Nah, get rid of federal loans, not only will education be the refuge of the wealthy, private lenders would just up fees. Education needs to be a government concern and free, or at least regulated by funding seats and adjusted by government based on post-graduate employment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-75199243050267291562014-02-09T10:14:49.681-07:002014-02-09T10:14:49.681-07:00It's not imbecilality, but youthful naivete (i...It's not imbecilality, but youthful naivete (in that something this much of a scam could not exist), as well as needing a SOP in life to make them feel like they have a "plan" after college. <br />Though med school pays, the experience is much longer, expensive and personally devastating than law school. The pre-meds are even more diffcult to convince, though granted, md's excellent profession protection in a collapsing free market makes that choice much rosier; but that doesn't make the point, that pursuing an M.D. requires one to love the idea, and form an rosy false idea, of what medicine is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-46759768458145518122013-12-06T03:48:49.912-07:002013-12-06T03:48:49.912-07:00lol that site is pure comedy gold.lol that site is pure comedy gold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-61706518844625508872013-12-05T17:54:19.070-07:002013-12-05T17:54:19.070-07:00Looks like you can comment anonymously if you clic...Looks like you can comment anonymously if you click the dateline for a post.<br /><br />For example, here's a post page you can comment on (you can provide any name - I haven't tried yet): http://lawlemmings.tumblr.com/post/69120554453/law-school-is-not-hard-to-get-into-getting-a-well-paidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-46073313828936914772013-12-05T16:30:02.899-07:002013-12-05T16:30:02.899-07:00I'm right there with you, Anonymous 8:38 AM.I'm right there with you, Anonymous 8:38 AM. Crux of lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572986619859564280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-80117636773524064212013-12-05T08:35:37.622-07:002013-12-05T08:35:37.622-07:00Law School Lemmings has added a 'Damn Research...Law School Lemmings has added a 'Damn Research' section linking this and other scam blogs at the top. <br /><br />Perhaps the lemmings will learn something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74116103560788056152013-12-05T07:14:07.408-07:002013-12-05T07:14:07.408-07:00Guaranteed doom? Hmm.
The jury's out on long...Guaranteed doom? Hmm.<br /><br />The jury's out on longer-term law outcomes in the New Normal. If they are related to the Old Normal, then winners should be advised not to grow too accustomed to that nice starter job with decent salary/ benefits plus exposure to meaningful work .... <br /><br />Excess supply destablizes and undermines the entire system. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-8593012513065775392013-12-05T07:03:44.541-07:002013-12-05T07:03:44.541-07:00That is a great site. We've sandblasted the A...That is a great site. We've sandblasted the ABA toilet and law school pigs. Now, someone has decided to finally feature the brainless lemmings who still believe that law school is a wise investment. One wonders whether these same drooling morons still believe that a fat guy, from the North Pole, decked out in a red suit is going to come down their chimney on December 24th.<br /><br />It is about time that these dolts are profiled. Better yet, the site is simply re-posting the mental midgets' tweets. This is a great idea, especially seeing that now millions of weirdos are "updating" the world with pictures of what they ate for breakfast, their thoughts on life, or their most recent pedicure or haircut.Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-86937824870223701592013-12-05T07:01:40.526-07:002013-12-05T07:01:40.526-07:00Law school is "...'monetizing' the co...Law school is "...'monetizing' the cognitive biases of the youth."<br /><br />Couldn't have said it better. But you can't convince a current or prospective law student of this. They have serious Stockholm Syndrome and keep voting for the politicians who promise more and easier student loans, despite the fact that these easy loans are what destroyed the system and sent tuition into the stratosphere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-3388483506416982672013-12-05T04:46:54.982-07:002013-12-05T04:46:54.982-07:00I'm a scamblogging sympathizer normally, but s...I'm a scamblogging sympathizer normally, but sometimes you guys go off the deep end. How do you actually know any of the things you're alleging about every one of the young people featured on that blog? The girl who congratulated her brother for getting into law school, for example: maybe it was Yale? Maybe her family is independently wealthy so the cost of tuition means nothing to them? And, contrary to the mythology of scamblogging, there is actually plenty of demand for real lawyering in the market today. Less demand and too much supply =/= no demand. <br /><br />I recently ran into a guy who's son was about to UC Hastings, and we had a chat about his future. First, the guy strikes me as, again, independently wealthy so I doubt there is a debt load for his son to worry about. Second, the son is about to graduate and has a job lined up at the DA's office out there. He's going to start his career with a decent salary, some excellent exposure to real trial skills, doing fulfilling work. Imagine that. <br /><br />If he was crushed by student loans, then yes, I'm with the scambloggers on the crisis we are seeing with law schools today (which affects the profession at large, which is why I follow these blogs as a veteran practitioner, albeit with a very fulfilling career mind you.) But the comment above doesn't reflect any economic crisis. It just claims, wildly and delusionally in my opinion, that a career in law is guaranteed doom. <br /><br />For the sake of your credibility, be accurate, folks. A career in law is not guaranteed doom. A career burdened with outrageous amounts of debt is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-59457558463208734792013-12-04T22:26:55.994-07:002013-12-04T22:26:55.994-07:00"And if any of you have blogs that address la..."And if any of you have blogs that address law school scam issues (or even a healthy skepticism of the law school machine), let us know."<br /><br />I write a movie blog, not a LS scamblog, but as a pseudo-lawyer and doc reviewer by trade, you had better believe that when it's appropriate, I talk about the legal scholarship combine and the debt loads and bad outcomes its grads suffer. I actually went pretty heavy into it (and linked to both ITLSS and OTLSS) in my review of The Counselor, that being a(n unfairly maligned) movie about an indebted crypto-shitlawyer who probably has student loans on top of two mortgages on his condo to maintain a Movie Lawyer lifestyle and thus undertakes a perilous drug deal to get out from under it.<br /><br />Actually, I do it even when it's not really appropriate. When I watched Escape Plan, I compared law school to an abominably run for-profit prison.<br /><br />(I was just making a joke, but on reflection it's in fact a pretty solid analogy. After all, if I said that a public function funded by public money had been captured by private interests and formerly necessary if unpleasant institutions were transformed over the course of a decade into dangerously opaque and wickedly corrupt places of business that ruined people's lives, and nobody outside those directly affected seemed to care, would you *know* which one I was talking about?)Hunter Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10925220178171355473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19590368982885124762013-12-04T19:56:22.421-07:002013-12-04T19:56:22.421-07:00Hey, Lemmings.
The odds are 80:1 against you that...Hey, Lemmings.<br /><br />The odds are 80:1 against you that you'll end up with a decent, paying law job (i.e., Mid- or Big-Law). The odds are similarly against you'll that you'll actually enjoy working in that environment.<br /><br />But, yeah. We get it. You're a winner. A Special Snowflake. You're gonna win. You're gonna make Biglaw, make big bucks, and like it. Models and bottles. You're gonna have a cool senior partner who not only parties with you, lets you pork his wife, and has your back on the P-ship track. You're that special, I understand.<br /><br />Guess what?<br /><br />The sheer number of lawyers produced over the past 2 decades has undermined your dream-come-true. You'll reach heaven.... but it'll collapse under you.<br /><br />You see, my dears, Scambloggers ain't bitching because they're some sorry douchebags who couldn't keep that first job. Nope. Many of them have working in this thing for 18-some years now, kinda grew to tolerate it, and are now seeing it all go down the toilet.<br /><br />Listen up, snowflakes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-49641645531270931232013-12-04T19:33:09.314-07:002013-12-04T19:33:09.314-07:00A great comment worth re-posting here imo:
"...A great comment worth re-posting here imo:<br /><br />"higher education is organized inter-generational theft with a government imprimatur. Students take on huge amounts of non-dischargable debt at high interest rates, because in a post industrial-economy you can't exactly go to work for the GE plant and raise a family, and schools get the money up front.<br /><br />I like to call this 'monetizing' the cognitive biases of the youth.<br /><br />It's built plenty a college town McMansion."<br /><br />http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/12/open-thread-making-law-schools-better.html?cid=6a00e54f871a9c8833019b02229b63970c#comment-6a00e54f871a9c8833019b02229b63970c<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23155319884170736132013-12-04T19:31:06.465-07:002013-12-04T19:31:06.465-07:00Perhaps Law School Lemmings could create a link se...Perhaps Law School Lemmings could create a link section and link this site, Law School Tuition Bubble and some or all of the sites linked here. It appears that some of the twits, I mean tweeters, are aware their tweets are being linked and mocked, and they might see the links and click on them and learn something.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-30055195799363450422013-12-04T18:26:12.284-07:002013-12-04T18:26:12.284-07:00Problem is that there is no way to anonymously pos...Problem is that there is no way to anonymously post on Law School LemmingsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-82949035460088108892013-12-04T17:44:01.826-07:002013-12-04T17:44:01.826-07:00This. These are not people who can be reached. The...This. These are not people who can be reached. These are not the kids from the Elite who, with the help of their elite, connected parents will make, I'll simply say, "better" decisions regarding law school. Those people are not spending 120-character lines of their time on Twitter. Or on Facebook being data-mined, etc.<br /><br />These people are, simply, more grist for the law school mill.<br /><br />There is no independent thought, no deep analysis, no rational decision-making, no questioning of assumptions, and no research done on their own. They are, like our friend JDP who fancies himself a "thinker" merely regurgitating the values of today, never questioning anything which might challenge their limited world-view. Said views being spoon-fed to them from infancy by those in command. In other words, a puppet. Or would "muppet" be a better word?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-70772955066574308712013-12-04T17:15:29.058-07:002013-12-04T17:15:29.058-07:00To 12:42 above:
Don't you understand that IBR...To 12:42 above:<br /><br />Don't you understand that IBR can't be sustained in its present form? The government borrows to make payments on their debt. Who makes the payments on the government's debt? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-52740567732651974942013-12-04T16:46:54.849-07:002013-12-04T16:46:54.849-07:00IBR means never having to pay back your loans at a...IBR means never having to pay back your loans at all . . especially if you work in the public sector. Its all on the Taxpayers . . who fund the tuition to pay for the extravagant lifestyle of law school professors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-36054449218047474482013-12-04T16:39:49.555-07:002013-12-04T16:39:49.555-07:00Politicians using other peoples' money to buy ...Politicians using other peoples' money to buy the votes of the very suckers they are forcing into bondage. Like Goodfellas, who cares? It's all profit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-14450189195535653792013-12-04T16:23:47.236-07:002013-12-04T16:23:47.236-07:00The idiots are ready to take over the JD factories...The idiots are ready to take over the JD factories because they're the ones who continue to think a JD gives them prestige. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-91822667172742275982013-12-04T15:40:28.243-07:002013-12-04T15:40:28.243-07:00Its not worth the price to the great majority of s...Its not worth the price to the great majority of students these days, still worth the price to those who either can easily afford it or are on the lucky end of the lottery for good jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-33000925367419499442013-12-04T15:34:35.295-07:002013-12-04T15:34:35.295-07:00Anon@1:28:
"When you drill down, what IBR re...Anon@1:28:<br /><br />"When you drill down, what IBR really means is that law school is not worth the price it charges. Because if it was, there would be no need for IBR in the first place."<br /><br />Brilliantly and succinctly explained.Antirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353794908230833127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26888188898073093672013-12-04T14:54:56.255-07:002013-12-04T14:54:56.255-07:00I would advise against any child borrowing to atte...I would advise against any child borrowing to attend college OR law school given the current economy of this country. I would advise people not going to law school, not only because of the cost, but because it is a profession filled with Narcissists. But if IBR only requires paying 10% of a person's income, I would bet that creditors, banks, etc. would take that into account when lending money. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-2984369974027296982013-12-04T14:35:42.102-07:002013-12-04T14:35:42.102-07:0012:42- that is a long, nasty road to go down. Peo...12:42- that is a long, nasty road to go down. People want to start families, maybe buy a home some day. A huge tax bill may be waiting for the forgivable part as well. Would you advise your 25 year old son/daughter to consider IBR? My advice would be to leave the country first. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-8750073668146284532013-12-04T14:29:50.124-07:002013-12-04T14:29:50.124-07:00It would be enough to make the student loans disch...It would be enough to make the student loans dischargable in bankruptcy - then rational lending standards would be used and tuition would plummet. Win win for everyone except the scammers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com