tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post1906453439773920538..comments2024-03-28T10:56:31.720-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Guest Post by a Former Charlotte Law Prof, Part II: How Charlotte Law Treated its Students. Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-69031740189806972092015-08-21T21:20:43.616-06:002015-08-21T21:20:43.616-06:00Better late than never, yes? In answer to your qu...Better late than never, yes? In answer to your question, the bar pass rate that Charlotte Law claims to have is corrupted by the fact that the school discourages students in the bottom half of its classes from taking the bar in the first place! So the pass rate hovering near 60% is 60% of the students who TOOK the bar; it would be closer to 35-40% of the actual class. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-30527351618694071912015-03-20T09:01:46.624-06:002015-03-20T09:01:46.624-06:00As a former employee at CharlotteLaw, I echo many ...As a former employee at CharlotteLaw, I echo many of the opinions of the author, although he does seem to have a chip on his shoulder and harbor some resentment against his former colleagues. Working at CSL put me in an ethical dilemma because of the utter lack of concern over the ultimate success of the students and graduates. As individual employees, most of us did care about student success. But as part of the CSL diploma-mill, there was little we could do for most of the students and graduates, many of whom truly could not complete a sentence properly, communicate professionally, or grasp the very complex legal concepts required to master legal practice and compete in such a highly adversarial profession. I felt that CSL/Infilaw was using diversity,or as they liked to cal it "browning the bar", as a way to convince students and investors that they were well-meaning, when it was really a justification to admit as many students as possible, regardless of qualifications. CSL left many students and graduates in a much worse position than they were before they attended CSL, and I personally could not stand to be a part of it any longer. I truly hope that Infilaw changes its admission policies and begins to truly focus on admitting students who are suitable for the highly-competitive legal world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-45932033345142736112014-12-30T10:41:07.627-07:002014-12-30T10:41:07.627-07:00THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE about Charlotte Law!
Soc...THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE about Charlotte Law! <br />Sociable Professor - <br />My LP professor was not sociable at all. <br />Professionalism - <br />Prof. did not have office hours, he met students at Dunkin doughnuts (away from campus) to discuss their papers and offer assistance. He could ONLY meet with students before he goes to his "regular" job in the AM, during his lunch break, or after work. I complained about him to the Associate Dean and the school addressed the issue. <br />Assistance -<br />I did not receive the help I had been asking of the Prof. since the beginning of the semester until the end of the semester. I ultimately failed his class. Nevertheless, he NEVER mentioned how to take law school exams, etc..Legal writing????? This was a joke! <br />Communication -<br />Prof. sent an email to all of his students after finals that he would see ALL of them next semester, without seeing final grades. Some failed his class.<br /><br />I feel like this school is ONLY a cash cow. Sad faces. I do not want anyone else to have this experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-71770826244475351552014-12-28T10:57:14.715-07:002014-12-28T10:57:14.715-07:00I was in the shoe throwing class. In the professor...I was in the shoe throwing class. In the professor's defense, it was a croc, but she was out of line. I heard later that she was diagnosed with Lyme and has since received treatment. However, I do take exception to some of the statements in the above article- there have been multiple student expulsions for inappropriate conduct towards both other students and professors. In addition, something like 20% of the section I started in (2012) transferred to other law schools- Georgetown, Kentucky, and Dayton among others. In fact I think that most of the scholarship students who were not Charlotte residents transferred out after our 1L year. The low bar pass rate matches up nicely with the LSAT scores and the racial composition of the school. No one likes to discuss the fact that the bar pass rates for minorities, especially female minorities, is very low. My section was roughly 1/3 African American females so I anticipate that when we take the bar the bar the pass rate will be roughly 60%. I went there because I lived in Charlotte and it was nearly free due to my scholarship. I would not recommend it to anyone who was going to pay or who didn't already live there, but it has worked out for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-19761198558941819142014-11-11T08:54:28.204-07:002014-11-11T08:54:28.204-07:00I understand, as an experienced law professor, tha...I understand, as an experienced law professor, that two individuals can witness the same incident, yet garner widely differing but honest perceptions of the event. However, the second post from the anonymous former professor at Charlotte School of Law is so completely contrary to my own several years of experience there, that I have great difficulty believing that this person was ever on that faculty. <br /><br />In contrast to the unnamed poster's assertions, I never heard any of my many colleagues on the Charlotte School of Law faculty deride, criticize, or in any way make fun of their students. Never. In fact, our conversations often focused on optimal teaching techniques, new pedagogical methods, ways of reaching students with learning differences, and innovative/multi-faceted approaches to legal education. This was the case both in our informal chats and in more formal off-sites and faculty meetings. <br /><br />It is ludicrous to suggest that Charlotte School of Law failed to provide meaningful accommodations to students with ADA challenges or any type of learning difference. We took great pride in developing and expanding the most robust and far-reaching Academic Success Program of any law school known to me. Multiple, dedicated, well-qualified full-time employees were focused entirely on this initiative. This was not a pro forma "window dressing" exaltation of appearances over actuality. The Academic Success Program was, and remains, a very sophisticated and multi-pronged effort to help every student survive and thrive in the law school setting and beyond. <br /><br />And I never witnessed anyone actively discouraging even one student from attempting to transfer out. Transfers are very common in law schools these days, and while no professor likes to see good students leave, it is a fact of life. I personally wrote several letters of recommendations for my students who were seeking to transfer, and I know some of my colleagues did the same. I never saw or heard any rule, guideline, or suggestion from an administrator or an InfiLaw officer that discouraged or banned this practice. <br /><br />I want to respond to other allegations in this post, but this will suffice for now.<br /> <br /><br />Professor John C. Kunich<br />University of North Carolina, Charlotte<br />Professor John C. Kunichhttp://www.amazon.com/John-Charles-Kunich/e/B002NFFDAC/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2?qid=1415721189&sr=8-2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-35398576041757646672014-09-23T05:33:50.192-06:002014-09-23T05:33:50.192-06:00There must not have been enough participants in th...There must not have been enough participants in the program, because Florida Coastal had the second-worst bar passage on the July 2014 exam (58%).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-42202576620504469182014-09-22T14:55:27.050-06:002014-09-22T14:55:27.050-06:00What a joke - one of their profs is a former olymp...What a joke - one of their profs is a former olympic swimmer with barely any legal background teaching (wait for it) sports law and gender studies (is that even law?) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-22853287911023177772014-09-22T10:15:49.334-06:002014-09-22T10:15:49.334-06:00They should be shut down!They should be shut down!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-85467693311913018692014-09-17T13:42:20.573-06:002014-09-17T13:42:20.573-06:00And, like a Boomer, when there was no real defense...And, like a Boomer, when there was no real defense or honest rebuttal to the charge, she instead lashed out in shear rage and malice when someone dared called her to task on it. Do as I say, not as I do. <br /><br />But then again, who were her role models, really...? It doesn't defend the action, but it does help explain it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-22900251412047254352014-09-17T10:54:20.439-06:002014-09-17T10:54:20.439-06:00The law school scam/cartel is not "capitalism...The law school scam/cartel is not "capitalism" (not that a bumbling moron like Marshall could understand what true capitalism is). These cronies would be out of business tomorrow if they actually operated within a free market. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-87353860107240414682014-09-17T07:59:00.757-06:002014-09-17T07:59:00.757-06:00Go somewhere else and throw your shoes you psychoGo somewhere else and throw your shoes you psychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-13204183157224566492014-09-17T07:19:00.466-06:002014-09-17T07:19:00.466-06:00Yes, that was laying it on too thick, 9:53 PM. Wh...Yes, that was laying it on too thick, 9:53 PM. While some may accuse Kerr of being more-pro-than-anti-scam, he has previously provided links and information like those above which call out bad lol school behavior. dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-51672495866432104002014-09-17T07:14:19.710-06:002014-09-17T07:14:19.710-06:00Marshall has a tendency to flip-flop over time, to...Marshall has a tendency to flip-flop over time, too, although I'm sure he would never see it that way.<br /><br />http://outsidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2014/03/what-difference-two-years-makes.html<br /><br />dupednontraditionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170022654810216357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-33485072703831732142014-09-17T07:11:06.069-06:002014-09-17T07:11:06.069-06:009:52 PM, that makes a lot of sense. Frankly, give...9:52 PM, that makes a lot of sense. Frankly, given the overall high-caliber of profs at U of C, it would not surprise me that Leiter would be "infamous" within the Philosophy department as well. It's not like the study of philosophy ground to a screeching halt with Netzsche and nothing has happend since then...the world did move on from the late 1800s in many respects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-84910141167368468642014-09-16T23:09:52.976-06:002014-09-16T23:09:52.976-06:00I think that Orin Kerr's intentions were good ...I think that Orin Kerr's intentions were good in posting that information. He also teaches at a school that doesn't keep students from transferring. It's an important issue of morality and efficiency, and he appears to have placed himself on the right side of the divide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-47463908164779251992014-09-16T22:56:28.310-06:002014-09-16T22:56:28.310-06:00Old Guy, you can't just blame the boomers any ...Old Guy, you can't just blame the boomers any more. A fairly young professor recently got tenure at Denver after publishing some shoddy articles that would make the average boomer burn with shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-1270374481114415022014-09-16T22:52:06.672-06:002014-09-16T22:52:06.672-06:00I think that Leiter is much better known in philos...I think that Leiter is much better known in philosophy than in law. That could be why he has to try so hard to impress the deans and professors at predatory, overpriced, and ineffective law schools. In legal academia, no one else will listen to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-11981498840860812092014-09-16T22:43:29.446-06:002014-09-16T22:43:29.446-06:00For one thing, he doesn't really understand et...For one thing, he doesn't really understand ethics. Much like the Blighter, he thinks that ethics consists of accusing other people. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-90533522233492581262014-09-16T22:38:03.972-06:002014-09-16T22:38:03.972-06:00I haven't read any particular defense of his r...I haven't read any particular defense of his re Charlotte or FCSOL, but in general Marshall tends to be kind of "one note" when it comes to defending capitalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-82898204188707795582014-09-16T22:31:51.780-06:002014-09-16T22:31:51.780-06:00From the post: "The school goes out of its wa...From the post: "The school goes out of its way to discourage and prevent students from transferring out. Not only does the new curriculum impede it, but faculty is also instructed to make the transfer process for students as hard as possible. Faculty is told explicitly to discourage transfers, and to instruct students interested in transferring to meet with school administrators before proceeding. Those meetings are designed to discourage the students from transferring, and to present them with more lies about why Charlotte Law is the best choice for their tuition money."<br /><br />I'm reminded that a similar allegation was made against InfiLaw's Phoenix School of Law in a suit filed last year by two fired professors. From the press release about the lawsuit: <br /><br />******************<br />Phoenix School of Law fired two tenured professors who objected to its attempt to reduce students' ability to transfer, which a dean called "building a better mousetrap," the professors claim in court.<br /><br />Michael O'Connor and Celia Rumann sued Phoenix School of Law and its corporate parent InfiLaw Corp., in Federal Court.<br /><br />The plaintiffs, who are married, claim they "objected to defendants' proposed curriculum changes that would reduce students' abilities to transfer to schools that the students perceive to provide better opportunities for job placement (described by Dean Shirley Mays as 'building a better mousetrap')." (Parentheses in complaint.)<br /> <br />O'Connor and Rumann say they "objected to Dean Mays approach, and argued that building a law school that emphasized strong teaching, individualized attention for students, increased opportunities for elective courses, greater and more nuanced financial grants, and aggressive job placement would create a greater value for students and thus better address transfer attrition."<br /><br />And, the complaint states, Associate Dean Penny Willrich announced during a special meeting on attrition "that she had already adopted a policy of not writing recommendation letters for students seeking to transfer out of the school."<br /><br />An InfiLaw representative at the meeting "responded that writing recommendation letters would be contrary to the interests of the school and questioned why a faculty member would write recommendation letters," the complaint states.<br />*******<br /><br />http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/06/04/58183.htmOrin Kerrhttp://volokh.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-17075185705986534402014-09-16T21:01:25.759-06:002014-09-16T21:01:25.759-06:00I too want to end tenure, a fucking scam by which ...I too want to end tenure, a fucking scam by which lousy-ass boomers hog jobs forever and a day without doing a damn thing.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-17517629869791077462014-09-16T20:59:01.547-06:002014-09-16T20:59:01.547-06:00On the LSAT, the score of 141 is at the 15th perce...On the LSAT, the score of 141 is at the 15th percentile. And that's the <i>median</i> at Horrida Coastal.<br /><br />Old Guy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-64405744412477604452014-09-16T20:50:46.284-06:002014-09-16T20:50:46.284-06:00Old Guy, I love your comments. Old Guy, I love your comments. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-36443575939492976732014-09-16T20:41:28.490-06:002014-09-16T20:41:28.490-06:00You can't blame the USDOJ anymore.
Things h...You can't blame the USDOJ anymore. <br /><br />Things have changed so drastically over the past 5 years that the ABA can certainly take steps to safeguard entry into the profession. Consider the near 40% drop in law school applications AND the rather dramatic drop in median LSAT scores--this is a total change in the landscape, relative to when the anti-trust goons got involved years ago.<br /><br />At very least, the ABA could have NOT allowed law schools to admit up to 10% of new students without LSATs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-63167450691927060062014-09-16T20:39:45.082-06:002014-09-16T20:39:45.082-06:00How can someone like Jack Marshall of Ethics Alarm...How can someone like Jack Marshall of Ethics Alarm defend this disgusting nonsense? These people should all be ashamed of themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com