tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post1755693366881724319..comments2024-03-27T20:23:56.493-06:00Comments on Outside the Law School Scam: Indiana Tech Law School Charter Class grads achieve impressive 8% bar passage rateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-26266111969027214822016-10-31T17:36:52.450-06:002016-10-31T17:36:52.450-06:00well these mother truckers just screwed me. there ...well these mother truckers just screwed me. there closing there doors now in 2017 , hope these basterds happy. I got one word for Indiana tech eat a dick Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-14577250035825775042016-09-20T14:52:14.586-06:002016-09-20T14:52:14.586-06:00So 92% of Indiana Tech's graduates are highly ...So 92% of Indiana Tech's graduates are highly unlikely to know, at any point in their lives, "what it means to be a lawyer," in hip-hop dean adpc's oft-repeated phrase. Anyone remember that?<br /><br />But that's what they were supposedly teaching those gullible kids in the first place. "What it means to be a lawyer." Dream on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-53864989474116038382016-09-19T16:05:42.730-06:002016-09-19T16:05:42.730-06:00And the ABA is hard at work preparing to deal with...And the ABA is hard at work preparing to deal with the situation.... or not. Probably not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-73940739635238944432016-09-19T14:29:18.963-06:002016-09-19T14:29:18.963-06:00Wow! 80%! Who could have imagined this?
Congr...Wow! 80%! Who could have imagined this? <br /><br />Congratulations to Dean Anderson for making dreams come true, and here's to sincerely wishing Indiana Tech LS continues on its present trajectory.<br /><br />And who's to say where that might end?Imagining The Open Toadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-55111688672612506242016-09-19T01:36:00.673-06:002016-09-19T01:36:00.673-06:00Yes, Indiana Tech is an example of the plutocratic...Yes, Indiana Tech is an example of the plutocratic nature of today's universities—except that Indiana Tech has been bleeding red ink from the beginning.<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-67586981322019878552016-09-18T22:06:33.573-06:002016-09-18T22:06:33.573-06:00Yes! And many similar places! Your tax dollars at ...Yes! And many similar places! Your tax dollars at work,!Old Ruster from JDJunkyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01223553546778880542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-91621984251867800392016-09-18T19:49:35.020-06:002016-09-18T19:49:35.020-06:0010:25 PM here. There are too many lawyers because ...10:25 PM here. There are too many lawyers because there are too many law schools and too many law professors. If some crazy person wants to study Hip-Hop Law (whatever that is), more power to him or her, but I don't want taxpayer money to pay for it. If you want to study whether aluminum foil on your windows prevents the Russian space program from being able to read your thoughts, that's cool--just don't ask other people to pay for it. Universities are no longer about the public good; they are about making money. Indiana Tech Law is an example of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-52335673493226507042016-09-18T18:23:44.648-06:002016-09-18T18:23:44.648-06:00The government pays tons and tons of scientists an...The government pays tons and tons of scientists and researchers to theoroize and pontificate. The military is mostly about technology research and new hardware. What about NASA and NIH--it provides a lot of jobs. Corporations and business pay for R&D. My only objection is that law prawfs and deans are hugely overpaid. They live like kings compared to a solo like me driving a faded car... Law schools can cut tuition by 2/3 at least if the hire from the glut of attorneys...hello---Law Schools---ever hear of 1099 contractors? I will show up for $250 a week to teach a class...no taxes, no pensions, no health care....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23869824472508569342016-09-18T18:14:32.660-06:002016-09-18T18:14:32.660-06:00The Federal government is lending money to people ...The Federal government is lending money to people so they can attend this place?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-2329738716983269092016-09-18T12:31:23.156-06:002016-09-18T12:31:23.156-06:009:52 AM, I could say the exact same thing about th...9:52 AM, I could say the exact same thing about the sewage disposal and treatment industry. Getting shit out of our houses and into organized, reliable cleaning facilities is a basic building block of all modern societies. It prevents disease, saves us all many hours that would otherwise be spent dealing with chamber pots and outhouses, and generally frees most of us to engage in more sophisticated work. But that wouldn't justify the government paying even one dime to a bunch of people to pontificate on vague "theories" about the metaphysical meaning of shit.Stonemason, Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-23344035333719131212016-09-18T09:52:36.558-06:002016-09-18T09:52:36.558-06:00Not being sarcastic. Education is social, shared v...Not being sarcastic. Education is social, shared value. It is the key to the advancement of society...everything from tech to law and order, medicine, engineering, space exploration and on and on. It is a value in of itself. It is not a handout, but a tool. Even "Hip Hop law." I took Church and State. During my long career, I have only had two cases that touched on that. How is Hip Hop different than automobile liability law? Or commercial transactions under the UCC? The problem is not Hip Hop law. The issue is tuition and return on investment. Law professors and administrators are too richly compensated given the extreme glut of attorneys who are qualified to take their places. For every professor, there are 10,000 attorney shmucks like me and you who are willing to take their places for a few hundred bucks and 1099 contractors. Desperation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-75510585537000322492016-09-18T00:25:05.132-06:002016-09-18T00:25:05.132-06:00Hire him as dean of bar review.Hire him as dean of bar review.Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-4270722264400898002016-09-18T00:24:11.472-06:002016-09-18T00:24:11.472-06:00All law schools, except perhaps a few Harvards and...All law schools, except perhaps a few Harvards and Yales, are effectively for-profit institutions. A few, such as the odious InfiLaw chain, are formally for-profit. The rest, however, appear to "non-profit" only because they distribute their surpluses in forms such as monstrous salaries and benefits, bonuses, and transfer payments to parent institutions. Every law school that I've seen, for instance, greatly overpays its faculty and top administrators. <br /><br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-6985582937207140432016-09-17T22:25:09.202-06:002016-09-17T22:25:09.202-06:00Are you being sarcastic, 12:28 PM? Please explain ...Are you being sarcastic, 12:28 PM? Please explain to me how the study of "Hip-Hop & The Law" or "Magic & The Law" provide a spiritual, cultural, and educational background for society?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-79598236845680091702016-09-17T18:06:55.276-06:002016-09-17T18:06:55.276-06:00not to take anything away from this clusterfuck th...not to take anything away from this clusterfuck that is Indiana Tech, but the whole LS complex isn't possible without government loan spigots. <br /><br />http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/a-subprime-education/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-62271055345337076702016-09-17T12:28:59.958-06:002016-09-17T12:28:59.958-06:00I concur in part and dissent in part. Law schools ...I concur in part and dissent in part. Law schools and higher education are as worthy an investment as providing music lessons to "urban under achievers." (See Big Lewbowski) These universities are a spiritual, cultural and educational background for society. They serve the community in infinite ways. I agree with you that law professors should not be paid anywhere near six figures. Professors should be paid the exact same as a an average solo or small firm lawyer which is over 50% or the profession. A salary of 37-49K, Obama Care on their own dime, no defined pension. No paid vacations, but some time off without pay. No sabbaticals and carry over priced mal-practice insurance, and pay bar dues. They should be required to work on some holidays and work 40-60 hours per week. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-92129287206421202352016-09-17T03:15:53.197-06:002016-09-17T03:15:53.197-06:00I would hope that donations would dry up after the...I would hope that donations would dry up after these results came out. Who would throw money at this stink-pit? Speaking of, my just -barely first tier law school now employs students to call alums to beg for donations. When I received a call last week, I explained to the law student that the nonprofit I've chosen to support provides music lessons for underprivileged kids rather than pay law profs six figures to teach two classes a semester, and didn't she think that was a better use of money? I didn't really get an answer. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-69694330356301362572016-09-16T18:54:57.989-06:002016-09-16T18:54:57.989-06:00Indiana Tech will just give him/her a job. 100% it...Indiana Tech will just give him/her a job. 100% it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-74490074019330789742016-09-16T12:07:06.824-06:002016-09-16T12:07:06.824-06:00When will any meaningful change occur? Maybe never...When will any meaningful change occur? Maybe never. These law schools are ITT Tech, dressed in a fancier suit. God help us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-78441440457285858362016-09-16T10:58:43.106-06:002016-09-16T10:58:43.106-06:00You would think if any of the out of staters passe...You would think if any of the out of staters passed a bar, the school would have reported it to boost their %. For goodness' sakes, its only 4 people. They can't be that hard to track down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-84836655359830638582016-09-16T06:23:57.938-06:002016-09-16T06:23:57.938-06:00Well, so much for the innovative curriculum.
Jus...Well, so much for the innovative curriculum. <br /><br />Just for good measure, let's review the law school's statement from their webpage regarding 'Academics.' Try not to choke when you get to the part that says "[t]he Law School’s outcome-based and assessment-driven curriculum includes...one of the most comprehensive academic and bar preparation programs in the United States." <br /><br />Here goes: <br /><br />"Indiana Tech Law School’s affordable and innovative program of legal education prepares students to successfully practice law—from day one—by combining the analytical rigor of traditional legal education with the skills-based instruction that employers and clients demand. The Law School’s outcome-based and assessment-driven curriculum includes, among other things, one of the most comprehensive legal writing programs in the United States, one of the most comprehensive academic and bar preparation programs in the United States, and a truly integrated program of experiential legal education. The faculty is comprised of prolific and nationally-recognized scholars, award-winning teachers, and dedicated public servants who invest in the success of every student and the needs of the broader community. In so doing, the Law School makes legal education personal, practical, and possible, and prepares graduates to be outstanding lawyers and citizens."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-17411601617032770362016-09-15T20:36:57.808-06:002016-09-15T20:36:57.808-06:00No law school will be "taken down." Not ...No law school will be "taken down." Not gonna happen. That would be deplorable. Let's be honest here with each other. It is all about jobs and bring back federal dollars to the community. This law school represents highly paid, highly skilled "creative" class jobs among its faculty, staff and administrators. Where are jobs like these in a dystopian rust belt state like Indiana? No matter how many new jobs are created in a "for now" cyclical booming RV industry, it will never match the concentration of white collar jobs this school creates. Plus, it is prestige to host a law school. Think of all the "receptions," banquets, lectures and court activities hosted there. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-57572997246565430872016-09-15T18:08:33.978-06:002016-09-15T18:08:33.978-06:00You're assuming that Mr. Ledger will get a job...You're assuming that Mr. Ledger will get a job in the field. If he doesn't, that rate will actually be 0%.Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-5131051443236000082016-09-15T18:06:59.451-06:002016-09-15T18:06:59.451-06:00Let's hope that this little escapade will take...Let's hope that this little escapade will take Indiana Tech down. After hearing of these appalling results, this year's 3Ls must be worried about not being able to join a bar, and this year's 1Ls must be wondering about all the smoke that the smiling, overpaid personnel of Indiana Tech blew up their asses.<br /><br />Indiana Tech has to report on its graduates' employment ten months after graduation. That will be in March of 2017. Right now it seems that at most one graduate will be able to call himself a lawyer by then. All of the others, I'm sure, will be exercising Global Leadership.<br />Old Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02399124824529778710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3660083024919144793.post-69339344403425830232016-09-15T14:07:51.131-06:002016-09-15T14:07:51.131-06:00At least the career services office should have an...At least the career services office should have an easy time of it - imagine the glossy brochures to prospective lemmings next year: 100% of bar passers employed as attorneys!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com